420BadWolf
2009-02-09 |  | Collective |  |
R.Snow and H.Brigantine Have been updated please give feedback, suggestions, concerns, etc... *not regarding the name please =P*
R.Snow Battleship
H.Brigantine Frigate
Note: suggested/tested changes outlined in Red
Note2: recent changes outlined in Blue
Note3: Current stats outlined in Green
H.Man-O-War
Energy Damage 100 0
Kinetic Damage 150 100
Chemical Damage 0 125
Hull 600 350
Range 7
Scanner rating 13 35
Power rating 450 470
1 turn produces 40 25
Ship Specials
No retaliation
Ships attacked by this ship cannot return fire.
Energy Shield +10% +20%
Absorption Shield +25% +20%
ECM +50% -35%
Ionized Hull -20% 0%
if anyone can give good reason for it we could also lower range to 6 or add no defense.
Edited by 420BadWolf on 2009-03-08 |
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IambadPlc
99+ day(s) ago | Galleon is still rather strong when paired with another Collective ship spam, like say, the Schooner. >_>. My Collective Stacking always fails against that specific two ship stack, at least at around my comfy range anyways (1-2mil power). It could just mean that I need to think of something else to throw at it though. |
collective1
99+ day(s) ago | *hugs the galleon |
Ragnarok
99+ day(s) ago | why not just change the status of the mow from sb to ship and see what happens? :) |
Ragnarok
99+ day(s) ago | i am leary of messing with galleon. it depends on this ship that`s replacing the MOW. I think galleon isn`t that overpowering. Spamming it just doesn`t ensure a victory and is rather risky. |
Slavyzz
99+ day(s) ago | I will write it here then since it seems appropriate, I do not believe at all that the Galleon needs to be changed. Whenever I go to higher prs I am always stacking and rarely spamming unless it is for a purpose. Also it is not very often (if ever) that I trust my colonies to a galleon spam, rather risky if you ask me. |
Maraudian
99+ day(s) ago | righty then for our hopefully final fix on this race
some ships had a very rough update to help them do the jobs they do , my main issue at the moment is the galleon and the MoW
my suggestion is a rebalance of the galleon and deletion of the MoW , in MoW`s place a new H class ship to do jobs now needed from the galleon rebalance
so in rough a nerf to the galleon ( remake ) however a new ship replacing the MoW ( offencive and H class to compensate )
i think the main problem with collective at the moment is they are very spam + dummy reliant when they have such awesom ships to stack with |
IambadPlc
99+ day(s) ago | I always thought the Man-o-War was supposed to be crabpy... The Collective kinda sucked at making bases leaving Organic/Assimilated Base artifacts everywhere in the universe trying to make the Man-o-War in the first place. That alone sadly, probably justifies this thing we rarely use. |
Terminus
99+ day(s) ago | being collective you almost never build starbases in dp, at least not alone, so why dont we drop MoW and make a nice defensive ship that can be used while attacking, it doesnt even have to be a h ship, i will settle with a r one. Lets face it a race that cant explore should have starbases, you are constantly attacking to survive and a starbase doesnt fit. |
Slavyzz
99+ day(s) ago | Hm well TWU`s version is much more desirable than the one currently up. Though I have suspicion their idea is going to drastically change... |
Reborn
99+ day(s) ago | i like that the ship is being nerfed in nearly every area that matters... at least it will be like a weak version of queens now (+1 strafez in my stacks, woot...) |
TheWorldUnited
99+ day(s) ago | yer but then if u see them spamming ships you can spam this sb which pwns caps....
also it would be leathful against caps in stacks as well |
Terminus
99+ day(s) ago | twu your ship seems good, but capital ships are usually spamed on carefull against collective, my question is, were your test with 1 stack or did you take into acount the spam? because in order to be effective against capital ships it should be beat from at least 200% otherwise the spaming will still be effective. |
TheWorldUnited
99+ day(s) ago | slav weak???
if anything i think it would be 2 strong...
caps cnt beat it on carefull and they only get pwned more as they hit on normal and agro...
same with destroyers as they hit normal and carefull the amout of damage they do goes drastically down
plus its ment to be a starbase |
Slavyzz
99+ day(s) ago | TWU it still looks pretty weak on your performance chart, I really think they should scrap it for a new ship altogether. |
TheWorldUnited
99+ day(s) ago | bump again ... please look below for my sb suggestion :D |
Archaeoptyrex
99+ day(s) ago | I would up the hull to 400, or 425. The current build rate of 40 seems fine. Why slow `em down further? It`s pretty slow build for a SB
Do collectives need another strafez-based ship? Why the damage type change?
What was wrong with the initial SB? |
Archaeoptyrex
99+ day(s) ago | Uh I find the ability to build a no-retal ship while in dp to be distressing. |
TheWorldUnited
99+ day(s) ago | bump,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, |
Reborn
99+ day(s) ago | I agree that the MoW starbase is near useless. No Collective in their right mind would sit around and wait for someone to attack them (main use of purely defensive ships). I understand the point that some people like to have starbases while attacking so if they get wiped in their attack they don`t become completely defenseless, but most Collective players would surely rather have a strong defensive ship they CAN use while attacking. We suffer from lack of defense! Though, arguably, it is mostly made up for by our offensive ships.
Anti Nirv/Pyth ship for Collective? I support it 210%. :) |
TheWorldUnited
99+ day(s) ago | well i thought i would give it a go >.<
my idea was to create an anti cap star base (mainly pyth and niv) that is very weak to most destroyers.... (eg trying to get people to use more destroyers against collectives instead of just nivs and pyths)
H. man-o-war
Energy Damage 50
Missile Damage 225
Chemical Damage 125
Hull 600
Range 7
Scanner rating 25
Power rating 639
1 turn produces 38 (24k a turn)
Ship Specials
No retaliation
Ships attacked by this ship cannot return fire.
Energy Shield 50%
Absorption Shield -10%
ECM 20%
Ionized Hull -40%
Ships performance...
What its good at :)
attacking on careful
tyr wins from 97%
niv wins from 122%
pyth wins from 134%
herc wins from 107%
angel wins from 97%
ara wins from 106%
lyth wins from 128%
lictor wins from 172%
flych wins from 181%
what its bad against
attacking on aggressive
borr wins from 34%
bull from 75%
queen from 45%
king from 45%
tiger wins from 55%
epidite wins from 93%
pike wins from 61%
thor wins from 58%
broad wins from 54%
sword wins from 52%
odin wins from 49%
chlor wins from 97%
chlorite wins from 61%
sting wins from 57%
also for miner livid beats it on careful from 67%
As you can see it owns caps but in return gets itself handed by ships that can out range it....
meh it was just my idea as no one else has said anything in a long time >.< |
