TheBlueKnight
2006-07-12 |  | suggestion for miner rabalanci |  |
make max storage for all races 30 million per mineral
make max mineral price $2000
increase tax mod for miner back to the original +450%
inccrease cg production to +1000%
make all miner starbases non retal
introduce 1 more new starbase with descent chemical attack
reduce lako power rating by half
reduce g lictor power rating to 48,502
eliminate 1 maor weakness from g livid fighter (either kinetic or missle)
This race don`t need any improvements on offensive end because with greter income they should be able to afford to build to safe range with starbases and than build a desent fleet |
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fermion
99+ day(s) ago | I would preferre a starbase with more dammage than high shilelds. With the current low-dammage level, the other races can attack a.miner basically without risking their own fleet. If you significantly increase the shields of the starbases they maybe sustain the initial blow without giving you DP, and it follows a whiping. Well, that gives a.miner more slots for counter, but not more chances, at least on round-based servers, where your turns are limiting. If the starbases can whipe the attacking fleet, people would think twice if they attack in the first place.
cu / hv fun |
Gornach
99+ day(s) ago | fermion: sure it's hard to get there offensive ships build in time. On RT. it can be made up for in digs, so you can use Time Capsules to boost the rate.
Dreamland: Not really and if they got better shields to there Starbases and 1 or 2 of there normal ships. They would actually fit what is stated about there race. A defensive race with good Hull and Shields.
There long range Starbase is more or less fodder with loads of hull, but not much shields to defend it. So give it some better Shields, to add up for the lack of attack ability ?? |
Dreamland
99+ day(s) ago | gornarch lotsa crab ships you mean gornarch |
fermion
99+ day(s) ago | Gornach: They have a big load of ships to take from...
The problem is, that there are only very few ships with acceptable build rate, and there are many ships with intercangeable attributes like the C.Cancer-light, aehm i ment the M.Clor, and thats even a better one.
Gornach: They do have ok ships to retal any kind of ships....
The main problem is the build rate of these ships, since if you are out of dp as a.miner for some hours you are a sitting duck. Everyone knows, that high-pr miners have mainly strafez and starbases, so atacking also a high-pr a.miner is only a minimum-risk task.
Belial: Why do i bother fighting for the same things as you guys want...
Well i appreciate your aim, but stephen hasnt moved for the last two years, and in this last note
( http://www.gamestotal.com/news/?/gc/74 ) he explicitly ruled out any changes of the gameplay. So can you understand, why i stopped hoping for an improvement? As I sad last time, feel free to prove me wrong, I would be happy.
cu / hv fun |
Killer1700
99+ day(s) ago | make max min storage 50 mil cuz sometimes uw`s take 40-60 mil strafez. new starbase idea:
A.Asphalt
Weapon 18500
energy damage 5000
kinetic damage 4500
missile damage 7000
chemical damage 2000
hull 50000
range 8
scanner rating 5000
power rating 61058
cost/unit 1,305,133
upkeep 70000 ish
build rate 1
purpose of this ship is to aid in defencive stacks. the kyro is fine for building pr to build a stack, but this would bring out the aminer legacy of "specalizing in defencive weapons platforms" talked about in the manual.(which some ppl have read from page to page) |
Belial
99+ day(s) ago | lol
Yeah, we should really have a funny hate thread section in there lol |
DarckKnight
99+ day(s) ago | *ponders at gornach experience with aminer vs viral, well to be able to win defense batles their ships has to have offensive atack wich many of their ships don't actually have right now
*DcK notes belial is a fake blonde richard!!!! xD |
Belial
99+ day(s) ago | DrackKnight, I was trying to get stephen to impliment change, samne thing the rest of you have been complaining about....
fermion, Fake? Read the post in the forum being temp, There IS a lot of worthwhile content in there which is one of the any reason im trying to get it back.
Why do i bother fighting for the same things as you guys want if all im going to get is flack for doing it. You want to see change? You can do exactly the same thing as we do. Ask stephen. Bug stephen, Pull your hair out reminding him and seeing through excuses. Please dont take it to blame me and call me fake. |
Gornach
99+ day(s) ago | Well why not give them as stated by there race ??? Better shields to there Starbases and maybe 1 or 2 of there normal ships.
They are a defensive race, that lack defense. Even this Race can win battles in offense and defense.
They have a big load of ships to take from, so use them make it hard to predict the ships used, in defense and use Starbases to give some PR. to get past the normal fighter pirates, that should give you the chance to build up a good stack. They do have ok ships to retal any kind of ships.
Aha that might be the reason they are called defensive :-))
Again ! Take a race you would like to try out and find the way to use it to it's best, that really is half the fun :-)) |
Zenith
99+ day(s) ago | Note to everyone: The PR forumulas count. If you try to change the starbases, post its new stats... |
DarckKnight
99+ day(s) ago | wonders were belial was for the last 2 years >.> |
fermion
99+ day(s) ago | "Would like to see as much discussion as possible over ship updates actually, could help us a lot :)"
Sorry Belial, maybe I judge you wrong, but there are so incredibly many threads in the old as well as in the new forum, that your request for input seems a little bit like fake. Please proove me wrong.
cu / hv fun |
Belial
99+ day(s) ago | We have some ideas for miner int he works that should be to alls aliking, Though
as much as i would love to see the mineral cap like that, it would be impossible to make it different for all races, And the idea that was brought up before (Capping buying to a number but allowing storage over that) would require GC to be updated to the 1.07 backend (Read thatll happen when it happens....)
As someone below, the PR is set to a fdormula, but that and a few other things are up for a tweak or two, and all changes that require stephen to do nothing but change some database values... whats the worst that could happen >.<
But overall, some very worthwhile points, Would like to see as much discussion as possible over ship updates actually, could help us a lot :) |
Treize
99+ day(s) ago | -current tax modifier is just fine.
-production of cg`s could be raised to maybe 400ish..
-and if the mx price of minerals were 2000, then their rate of mineral production should be cut in half as well to +500%
-but i agree that there needs to be a lower cap on mineral storage because the current cap is beyond rediculous. |
LordDrewski
99+ day(s) ago | Something I would have liked to see is a higher build rate for epidotes, chlorties, calcites, etc. That is the main reason you rarely see miners above 100 mil pr, it is hard for a miner to build that high without getting hit, *cough* *cough* *TBK* , and even if they do leave ya alone it can still take a few days. |
TheROS
99+ day(s) ago | good idea |
AshyLarry
99+ day(s) ago | I like the idea of an increaed max mineral price in the market. If it is $2,000, then I`ll make twice the money (assuming that Kalzul stops). all of those ideas would make the miner race more apealing, TBK. |
fermion
99+ day(s) ago | some remarks:
- pr is controlled by scanner rating.
- Lichtor is a fast-buildrate ship, that does not make him a good ship. The comparation to the usual guardian G-Class basically tells it all.
- with only +50% dammage, the Kryo still has a dammage to pr ratio of 1:10 = laughable. Everything below 1:3 can be (concerning the gameplay) approximated by zero.
cu / hv fun |
Evane
99+ day(s) ago | Leave power rating for starbases/lictor what they are currently. Just triple damage and increase hull by 50% for lakko. Kryo damage should be increased by 50%. And hakkos damage/hull should be increased by 50%. Mineral storage should be what it is currently. Industry should be more effective, maybe taxing should be a little better to mitigate the base PRs tax miners have to suffer(sometimes around 750k base pr with 35 planets) and also pull miners through times of crazy high food prices .
The lictor is fine. If you look at some of guardians fastest building ships(emerald/corundum) you will understand what I mean. I think livid just needs a build rate of 3 instead of 2. In my opinion it has a good use against UW`s(fodder) but builds to slowly for that. Starbases need flanking.
I think it might be a overall good idea to increase max mineral/CG price. (And of course CG value to population would need to be increased) |
fermion
99+ day(s) ago | Dont give the miners more money, they have more than they can spend. Give them suitable starbaseses. Increase their dammage by factor 5, and decrease scanner by factor five and you are done. Thats two integer numbers to change in the code, but we all now know only two good, that you can not do this whyever.
Your suggestion to build starbases with the current starbase-ratings must be a joke.
cu / hv fun |
