Deiloche
2008-06-05 |  | Maru Ship Update (Part 2) |  |
Alrighty, now that I have most of you agreeing to the upkeep mods on the marauders, let me unveil part 2 of my interesting little plan.
First of the modifications to the marauder race, Maraudian told me that he would like all marauder ships to have no retal and no defense, barring a few. Pyth will gain neither, the pike and the shark will not have no defense. (By my suggestions, anyway, feel free to comment.) It was considered removing no defense from the tiger, but testing showed that this overpowered it drastically.
While I have tested these ships for the last several hours, it was mostly testing of the ships in scenarios where they would likely be used. If you have reason to believe that these changes will either over or under power the respective ship, please post and show examples of why. The idea is to balance out the marauder race.
Eel, Manta, Ray have `No retal` and `No defense` added.
Hammerhead: Energy shield reduced from -10 to -20, Chemical shield reduced from -15 to -35.
Shark: No retal added, buildrate increased to 10 (20,520 PR/Turn)
Bullhead: Range reduced to 7
Piranha
E: 100
K: 100
H: 750
S: 35
R: 5
PR: 411
BR: 40
PR/Turn: 16,400
E.S: -20
K.S: 40
M.S: -5
C.S: 20
No R
No D
Barracuda
E: 400
K: 400
M: 100
H: 1200
S: 75
R: 8
PR: 1292
BR: 8
PR/Turn: 10,336
E.S: 35
K.S: -15
M.S: 5
C.S: -40
No R
No D
Sting
M: 1300
H: 1300
S: 25
R: 8
PR: 1633
BR: 10
PR/Turn: 16,330
E.S: -25
K.S: 30
M.S: 30
C.S: 0
No R
No D |
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{Ching}
99+ day(s) ago | If u really want to get rid of spamming, or at least make a good shot at it then u would need to edit all the capital ships. Take away all 3 weaponed ships and reduce the mods on all the typical spamming ships, and that probably wont even work lol. Maru are already the least played race remember |
Bladactania
99+ day(s) ago | Since I`ve never been Maru myself, nor have I really encountered many, I can`t really make much comment on their ships. Most of my interaction with Marauder ships comes from Virals who have reverse engineered their ships. This brings me to one conclusion - They are WAY too easy to spam. or rather way too effective in spam. Of course each race has ships that are good spamming ships, unfortunately, but I just thought I`d throw my 2 cents in :) |
GENGHISRAHN
99+ day(s) ago | special abilities for marauder ships are very low upkeep. Don`t hamstring the race any further by increasing the cost to build ships
A year or more ago marauders were given hammerhead and bullhead refits. Concensus then was (including Maraudian), marauders had achieved balance. What has changed? |
{ching}
99+ day(s) ago | really? they are pwned by collectives |
Deiloche
99+ day(s) ago | Bullhead is absolutely rigged, that range reduction is completely necessary. And there are no proposed changes to the pyth, unless you mean the upkeep... that`s a different thread though. |
DarckKnight
99+ day(s) ago | bulhead is rigged needs nerf |
GENGHISRAHN
99+ day(s) ago | ok so where are we at with this discussion?. The thread has become cold and there hasn`t been any closure. Deiloche, I am mostly concerned with the proposed changes to the pyth and bullhead. |
Deiloche
99+ day(s) ago | Yeah, I know, but it`s a real piss off when the thing that you didn`t read is in the the topic post. I understand not scrolling back and reading all the other crab, but come on, you have to read what the thread is ABOUT, at least. |
DrunkenMasters
99+ day(s) ago | Dev, most of the day I use 1 hour of public library`s PC for EVERYTHING because I am in Seattle atm and still don`t have a laptop, that`s a pain in the ass, I know but I don`t have time to read everything :P |
Ragnarok
99+ day(s) ago | Or the ship changes made for that matter. If there is a significant ship update, virals should be able to have a one-time-only ship reset option. This one time only reset option would be reinstated every time there is a major ship update (which, hopefully, would not have to be more than once a year or two if that). |
{Ching}
99+ day(s) ago | Also Virals should really be allowed to choose their ships again with the upkeep increases and all |
{ching}
99+ day(s) ago | Try taking away the kinetic weapon from barracuda and increasing the missile weapon - dont like having more ships with 3 weapon types.
So have it as:
Energy 500
Kinetic 0
Missile 400
chem 0
or something similar.
I dont think the hammerhead needs nerfing it`s easy enough to kill. Bullhead range decrease is ok as long as the barracuda`s is being increased. Sting seems pretty useless with those stats. I dont care wot u do to the smaller ships, may as well delete them entirely lol |
Gronoria
99+ day(s) ago | I do think Marauders needs some ship changes. I leave it to others to figure out how as I haven`t played marauder for years and don`t have much experience with them either. |
Deiloche
99+ day(s) ago | DM, as much as you are a friend... learn to read, dimwit. :P |
Ishamael
99+ day(s) ago | probably meant wit hthe addition of the update ;) |
DrunkenMasters
99+ day(s) ago | Well dev, actually shark does NOT have no retal.
/goes back to hibernation |
LtCommander
99+ day(s) ago | I do respect the work Deiloche has put into this. I however feel there is no need to go to this extreme.
Marau does have some good and not so good ships just like any other race.
And thats just crazy talk CC. All people should have there say no matter there race.
I feel L class should get a look at (again) when I was a guard, and why should my feelings change now I am Viral.
I feel Viral should not be able to RE D and P class ships just like that can`t RE G class miner ships. But thats getting off topic.
If marau need any change, its the small ships that are not used that could use some spicing up. Like the no retal and no defense. This would make them be of some use in the lower stack to flank spams. This however can be said for all races. |
DarthSparky
99+ day(s) ago | Well if viral votes shouldn`t count, shouldn`t the views and opinions of the few marauders in the game have more weight?
*looks at Gengh |
CounterCrazy
99+ day(s) ago | Maru upkeep is unbalanced more then anything else.
Some ships are slightly over powered, some arent powerful enough. I vote for anyone who is viral for their vote to not count on this forum cause thats bias opinion about their ships most of the time they RE`d |
Deiloche
99+ day(s) ago | This is an improvement, overall, not a nerf. If the general consensus is that it`s a bad idea, we won`t do it. *Shrugs* |
