CounterCrazy
2007-04-04 |  | Viral Suggestion Update |  |
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ThePansy
99+ day(s) ago | *busts out machete and cuts through the argumenents |
Omegian
99+ day(s) ago | *Oh Brother*, virals have maybe 7 of the best ships, note 3 are aspha, and well we all know aspha has 0-2 ... thus 7 of the best ships + or - the 3 you make from aspha, depends on how you consider them :P
Species, uhm all servers spam if they can in their first 24 hours worth of turns, the longer they are out, the more i think they would stack and make up for that spam.
As i try to stack with expensive ships on fast as turns grow. |
pWn3dN3wb13
99+ day(s) ago | spamming is the best way to get many planets! |
pWn3dN3wb13
99+ day(s) ago | viva le terran! |
pWn3dN3wb13
99+ day(s) ago | but virals suck! |
pWn3dN3wb13
99+ day(s) ago | Bullhead is not low PR ship, if it is low pr then flysch is also low pr, almost the same build rate. |
species382
99+ day(s) ago | Uhh, a new great argument about not ferfing virals: when guards have overpowerd ships, vials should also have some.
There is a serious reason, why miners are so often spamming, because the reasonable miner ships have terrible build rates, so the selection of ships basically enforce such a behaviour. The same applies to guards, few good ships, a whole bunch of cr.ap => Spamming. And for Virals basically the same rule applies, if you get a serious advantage from building low-upkeep marauder ships, you are rewarded for spamming. Great, thats what the game suffered for for way too long.
Reasonably increasing the upkeep will not stop people from spamming, but it will not further subsidise such a behaviour.
And also the upgrated lower-pr D.class ships are by far inferior to the selection of ships you can RE, therefore your argument that marauder would ve are sooo much better than virals was a bad one before and does not get better by repeating it over and over.
"And I don`t think marauders and collectives have bad ships" luckyly i never claimed that. I claim, that you can have a BETTER ship list by collecting the best ships from 3 races plus having an already very good destroyer and a great starbase. |
pWn3dN3wb13
99+ day(s) ago | I know that I am n00b, so there is no need to tell me that again lol |
pWn3dN3wb13
99+ day(s) ago | chick fight lol! Drunken, you silly viral, you suck ROFL Viva le tyr/nirv/herc spam! |
DrunkenMasters
99+ day(s) ago | Stop whining? I haven`t whined + as I said earlier I am viral on only one server where I don`t actually fight, so what should be my profit of nerfing virals? Great. But I am not like you dang whiners who play one fast server(ultra or RT) and have no dang idea about slower servers. I wrote it, nerf the upkeep, but it looks like our dimensions are not the same. And species, can you make the calc? It looks like you can`t. Virals can RE 3 ships from terran, miner and maru. 9 Ships is not that many? Well the 9 best ships, whcih fit your needs is a HELL of a lot. "How many great ships have marus, 2-5?How many have terrans, 5-7? How many have miners, 0-2?" - your thought. 9-(0-2)=6-8, not nine. And yes, viral can build faster than others, true. But who has the best build rate? Lyth and lictor. crab ships, true, but add some flysch and here is your counter. Pyth/angel spamming? And you want to tell me that most of the miners aren`t flysch spammers? Heh, ok, if you say. Nerfing the upkeep greatly won`t make the game balanced but will further disbalance it. And I don`t think marauders and collectives have bad ships. And when we are talking about nerfing, why don`t you nerf ruby/tourm? You don`t need to be rocket scientist to spam it and win almost 100%. And what will be the advantage for virals over marus if you screw the upkeep? Go agri maru, make more money, pay less for ships, less for upkeep, have great list of ships(with the new D class). Will this be fair for the virals? I just don`t want to disbalance the game. Make a viral account on slow and start spamming pyth/angel. When you do that, I will be with you about the viral upkeep. |
species382
99+ day(s) ago | well, DrunkenMasters, please stop whining about the poor virals...
9 Ships is not that many? Well the 9 best ships, whcih fit your needs is a HELL of a lot. How many great ships have marus, 2-5?How many have terrans, 5-7? How many have miners, 0-2? How many great ships have Guards. 3-4? And 9 good ships is not great?...wanders away shaking my head...
Well, your argument that miners are easy, since they can make lots of cash is also flawed, what do you do with the bunch of cash, if you can not build good ships?
In realtion to another easy race (terrans), virals should at least pay 0.5....
And btw, is there a better motivation for virals to spam pyth/angles as the currently with the way to low upkeep? I`d rather see path/angle-spammming marauder, they at least cant explore a bunch of realy nice staring clusters plus they dont have the next 7 ships best filling their needs to fill the other slots.
I personally was most astonished abyout virals, how fast you can build a balanced stack with herc, tyr, nirv, pyth, angle, lyth, flysh, borrs +2 other ships, one was usually fodder. This takes well, prob much LESS THAN HALF the turns as for any other race, and for these half ammount of turns, you pay only half the upkeep... Miners can not build a reasonable fleet so fast, so much for the counter theory on turn based servers, and terrans/marauder can match this speed of building only by building inferiour halfspams. So can you repreat, why are virals weak? |
Perseus
99+ day(s) ago | Omegian
2 hour(s) ago Notes: Its easier playing guard than viral lols.
???? |
SweetestDownfall
99+ day(s) ago | Hellus exacty this will make intel feature utilized more in the game..this will make virals wary of who they are attacking and not just attack terrans and miners without even thinking twice..and being enslaved not so dreadful all the time...just a thought. |
Hellus
99+ day(s) ago | that could be bad though as well, alwasys fighting against reinforcements doesn`t sound like fun.
Miners you make cash, use it in your counters like nightbomber and countercrazy due |
SweetestDownfall
99+ day(s) ago | You know whats a good suggestion? make sending reinforcements 100% whenever attacked by paid races..that`ll give terrans and miners bigger chances of winning in defense. |
Omegian
99+ day(s) ago | Notes: Its easier playing guard than viral lols. |
SweetestDownfall
99+ day(s) ago | "easy" doesnt always translate to winnability..if all races are created equal as many of you want to make em..whats the point of having a paid race?
easy being a.miner because you can earn a billion $ in just a few hours..
easy being a terran cause you got great ships..you just got to learn to stack..
you can choose any which way to earn money and you got more colonies than other races..
and both races dont die..you can be as dumb as a stick and still play..
now thats the easy part..if we make both races as winnable as the paid races..whats the point of paying to be a Viral? |
DrunkenMasters
99+ day(s) ago | The actual price of maru ships for virals is 5X-6X |
DrunkenMasters
99+ day(s) ago | well, virals had another - with the update- they can`t re livid and lictor- two of not many good miner ships. 9 ships is not that many. I am not saying viral is hard to play, but miner is not that hard as well if you know how to play it. And in fact viral was the only nerfed race in the update, maru got 2 nice ships, miner got 2 bases and 2 ships, collective got A LOT, terran is good as it is. So stop whining. Viral is OK as it is(overall). As I have said before, it has its pros and cons- long list of ships to RE but not that great income. And miner can make LOADS of cash even without being bothered about borders(and then UW :P). If you don`t believe me you will see what I mean in a month or two. If you nerf viral upkeep, what will be the good part of viral? crab income, the price of ships is 3x(or more), and they can die. I can`t see that as pretty fair. Viral upkeep can(and should) be nerfed imo, but not more than 0.2-0.3. And I can tell you what will happen if that is the case- people will become agri marus(actually more profitable than agri viral), will steal some clusters and then spam pyth/ angel again. Do you like that plot? |
species382
99+ day(s) ago | So the chap maru ships are the only good?
So choosing the 9 best ships arround is no good ability? And having (even after the miner update) still one of the best (if not even the best) starbases arround is also no advantage? And capturing is probably also way overrated, how usefull are ships for free. And the nerved borrely is also so poor, now even miner, collective AND maru can attack it AT ALL, way that is pooor.
Virals are sooo hard, now they are sooo much harder than the "easy" race of a.miner |
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