Andriatia
2007-03-02 |  | Collective Nerf? |  |
Build rates of the Pinnace, Brig, Sloop and MoW cut down over 50% in some cases? I might have missed the heads up on that one, but that`s staggering considering that we just got this update.
Not that I can really complain too much about this; the Sloop and Pinnace build rates are still better than they were before the update by leaps and bounds.
Just a bit of a disappointment to see a drop like that after such a substantial boost that I`m sure bolstered the Collective community for months to come.
Not like I`m going to stop playing altogether just because of this, that goes without saying. If I didn`t have patience over this sort of thing, I wouldn`t be here today. :)
Is this a permanent change, or are we still in the "testing" phase of everything? I`d just want a little iddy bit of insight as to what`s going on behind the scenes and screens.
Thanks. |
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Maraudian
99+ day(s) ago | M class is miner
G class are not M class
they make there own version adding there own tech with that of a Gaurdian ship given too them by the race , so they Contain Guardian tech and hence cant be captured
this was a good fair and balanced idea for the greater good , it gave A miner 2 ships that could be greatly improved to good standards to make A miner a balanced defencive race, while not giving virals an extra godlike ship or two to use |
MrPerfect
99+ day(s) ago | build rates are fine.. Man of war has its uses my main beef is with the G class ships now being classed as Guardian and not being capturable.. this makes no sense at all.. In the story it says the MINERS created there own version of the G class ship which would make it what??? come on now u can say it.. ok i will for u.. IT MAKES IT MINER hence being capturable. another pont of mines is that GUARDIANS CANT even BUILD them ships in the first place why are the under there class.. .. u say it was done to to improve miners and in the same time keeping collective and viral same.. come on now your nerfing 2 races to improve 1 not to mention your takeing away those 2 races "forte" in this game being able to capture and in virals case reversing ships. To me it seems all them empires from long ago who wanted to see thses 2 races downgraded got some power and now plans are in motion |
MrPerfect
99+ day(s) ago | build rates are fine.. Man of war has its uses my main beef is with the G class ships now being classed as Guardian and not being capturable.. this makes no sense at all.. In the story it says the MINERS created there own version of the G class ship which would make it what??? come on now u can say it.. ok i will for u.. IT MAKES IT MINER hence being capturable. another pont of mines is that GUARDIANS CANT even BUILD them ships in the first place why are the under there class.. .. u say it was done to to improve miners and in the same time keeping collective and viral same.. come on now your nerfing 2 races to improve 1 not to mention your takeing away those 2 races "forte" in this game being able to capture and in virals case reversing ships. To me it seems all them empires from long ago who wanted to see thses 2 races downgraded got some power and now plans are in motion |
Theworldunited
99+ day(s) ago | build rates where fine stop whining people up to what they were before u nerfed them eg 40 a turn sloop
even with these the fastest building collective ship is bout 30k a turn ffs i would only accept this nerf if u nerf down other races eg put down herc to 50k or niv to 36k
stop nerfing collective if anything they still need improvement in terms of needing more ships with no retail |
Andriatia
99+ day(s) ago | Smaller ships meaning Sloops, Pinnace and Brigantines, not the smaller build rate for them. |
Andriatia
99+ day(s) ago | A capital ship would be really nice to have. Though I enjoy brigantines having chemical damage very much. Snow is a decent ship to throw into the mix when there aren`t any captured ships to fill its spot, and MoW is okay if you want to lose 2 colonies instead of 3, or can`t think of anything better to stack defensively. I am missing the smaller ship build rate already, though. |
Zenith
99+ day(s) ago | I leave for a vacation and the food market goes crazy and the collective ships get a nerf???
Congradulations Maraudian, 20 sloops a turn. Now where is our capital ship to balance it out?
H. Caravel Battleship
4000 energy, 8000 missile
-20% energy, +50% kinetic, -30% missile, +70% chemical
20,000 hull
7 range
No retal, 100% assimilation
600 scanner
18,031 PR
3 a turn build rate
Cost: 150,000 credits
Upkeep: 4,000 a turn
30 terran metal
15 red crystal
15 white crystal
30 rutile
30 composite
God, this update is so screwed up. Strictly speaking, you didn`t have to give us brig chem damage, mow all positive shields, or snow. Build rates! |
Archaeoptyrex
99+ day(s) ago | hmm ... problem with MOW wasn`t the build rate :S
24k was fine for MOW
Maybe increase build rate of berk, snow and schooner (the weaker coll. ships in terms of attack:pr) |
EPrussia
99+ day(s) ago | are u serious r class capture then the question is should they not be renamed Hclass lol |
Maraudian
99+ day(s) ago | all the other ships are moderate / powerfull with high build rates along with nuetrals / specials , build rate is collective weakness as they are a low pr race.
having these small powerfull ships with even 24k pr build rate makes them a spammers dream , atleast if you wish to spam one of these great and yes they are great ships you will have to sacrifice turns.
yes they have been tweaked a little , but they are still an improvement upon what they were
R snow and Schooner can now capture ( but not as affectively as the H class )
this all promotes stacking rather than spamming , and yes collectives can make great stacks. |
EPrussia
99+ day(s) ago | so collective now has been taken away now no offence to every1 who complained *collectives to strong* i say boo hoo heres a tissue collective deserve to be that strong after waiting so long so put a sock in it |
rutgerzak
99+ day(s) ago | bah they still alot better then they used to be dunt complain o,0 |
Andriatia
99+ day(s) ago | I agree with jackme; 24k build rates are pretty ugly, but with the update, it was at least tolerable. Something could be done with 24k. Though now 4 of the Collective ships have less than that, since Sloop and Pinnace are so popular. Not really saying that I highly value these ships over the others, I`m just saying that If you played Collective pre-update, you were always using the only ships you had available (unless you spammed Sloop/Galleon, which I think can be more of a menace than Sloop/Pinnace in ranged situations, especially now when it`s got all that and a bag of chips.)
I personally do use all of the Collective ships available, unless I don`t need another stack for defense or if I already have something that would outperform something like Snow or Pinnace, such as a few Nirvanas. I`ve always used Schooners, and Snow is another decent addition to the fleet.
If people have really been complaining to the edge of infinity over Collectives being "overpowered," then I`d gladly direct them to the nearest time machine so they can play Collective pre-update for a year and see what they have to say about the race. If they can play that long without going insane and changing race, that is.
This is just something that`s been needed for longer than I`ve been here, and I`m really glad that it`s finally come through. I know that changes have to be made for balance, and it`s not like I can just protest a minor thing like a nerfed build rate, despite how painful that can ultimately be in the long run. I appreciate the work that`s been put forth, though I guess you can`t really make everyone happy. :S
I guess in summation, I have to say that I disapprove of the nerf in that it neuters the will for some variation and promotes the "oh-so-dreaded Galleon spam," A.K.A. anti-newbie.
The added % for capture is nice, but I don`t think it will promote the usage of those ships, to be honest. The best Collective knows how to use each ship and will stack them as seen fit. |
MrPOTAToHEAD
99+ day(s) ago | lol @AvianFlu |
AvianFlu
99+ day(s) ago | humm .... welll .... can i buy a vowel |
Eternus
99+ day(s) ago | Hmm roughly a 30% nerf on collective ships and the capture added to the less popular ships more details on an update post that will be coming soon unless i fall asleep first =P |
jackme
99+ day(s) ago | 24k buildrates arent great to start with...still takes 1000 turns to get up to 40 mil pr, which can be done with any other race in about 450. |
Seifer
99+ day(s) ago | well alot of people were screaming that collective were overpowered so this should keep them happy XD |
Andriatia
99+ day(s) ago | I did notice the 30% capture chance that has been added just moments after, and that is a nice addition. I just wish that option would be applied to Sloops and Pinnace, but I suppose that`s asking too much.
Any one else have thoughts and comments on this? |
