Eternus
2007-02-11 |  | GC Ship Update next steps |  |
These are the current suggestions with regards to the next (and hopefully last) ship rebalancing, they`re taken from the PMs and forum posts and suggestions people have made. Please note at the moment i can`t do anything about Viral ship upkeep its still being looked at
Uploaded Changes
H Barkentine , small missile damage added 400 at the least , chop off ionized hull shielding
R snow , stats increased to 500 energy, 600 kinetic and extra 10% shielding added to ionised
H.Brigantine , Chem dmg +50 ( need ) ( to beat herc and k class on agro )
H Man o War , - fixed and uploaded, i`ve yet to hear major complaints now trying to get collectives existing to be able to use them
A hoko -200 scanner rating ECM Shield + 20%
A.Kryo - 2,000 scanner rating -500 energy damage + 1500 kinetic damage +5% energy shield +5% ionized shield
M.Lakko -500 scanner +10% energy shield +10% ionized shield +1k hull
These suggestions most asked seem to agree on
M epidote , No retal
H galleon returned to its normal stats , double its ship build ( to 14 )
G lictor extra 10% absorb shield -50% Chem shield
L Class scanners dropping
Improvement of D. Bullhead
I`ve probably missed somethings but its nearing 1am and i`m knackered
Opinions? Try to keep them constructive
And i`m trying to deal so that all the ships work and are balanced and such but its understandanly a long and daunting task, i`d appreciate your patience and would advise you not to change anything until we`ve settled.
Many thanks to all the people who have helped test and give feedback
Edited by Eternus on 2007-02-12 |
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Hiigarans
99+ day(s) ago | ok. i bump this up. Eternus or Maraudian should tell us what had been done, what r still in progress and what`s the next :) |
BadSicilian
99+ day(s) ago | because, the shields on teh g and l class would stil make them dangerous to stack with, not matter their weapon/pr ratio. ruby and tourm are two of the current 3.5 good ships guards have...and there are guards the dont jst spam them around, like me ofr instance, i hardly ever spam them around unless they`re all i have left of a previos stack. so either slightly increase the usefullness of g and l class ships, or leave the guardian race alone. guards are meant to be imba, since we`re supposed to "defend the galaxy" but if we get our only good ships nerfed whats that do to us? makes us a bloated miner. nerfing rubys and tourms is a bad move. the lack of income more then makes up for the ships anyways, since we have to have ahuge base pr to really afford a large fleet w/o stripmining, which is boring. look at the full picture before you ask for guards to get nerfed. |
Hiigarans
99+ day(s) ago | seriously, no points to get a 10 range ship for Miner. what? u need a Miner verions of P class?
for Terran with the longest offensive range of P class units, the downsize are the hull, cost n upkeep. so, u want a longer range + better hull + not bad upkeep + better shield mod + cheaper ship cost of `P.Zeus` for Miner?
Lictor, yes, i had exlpain before on other thread and also liked what Arch said, Lictor is too good for now, u will get some freaking spammers again, so to the Miner new Starbase with range 10 - 12.
anyway, Guardian got minor improvement on G n L class. so why dont u agree a minor nerf on Ruby n Taurmaline? this will just encourage stacking with G n L classbut not those silly Ruby / Taur spam again after the adjust.
paid acc will get range 10 ships? well, it is just not a good idea. y dont we settle those ship balance before get more trouble on new ship design :P |
Archaeoptyrex
99+ day(s) ago | Um BadSic, you should know better than think I consider virals to be a favourite race ... lol
The lictor mods are just going to force miners to lictor spam. As I keep repeating, all ships need at least 1 weakness.
On a less obvious point, The chlorites going up to range 10. I think it would be better if maru`s tiger (attacking race, and paid race) gets the range 10 missile ship (if there is to be one). I agree you could buff the mods of the current chlorite slightly. |
BadSicilian
99+ day(s) ago | DONT nerf the rubys. they aren`t over powered in the least. tourms darn sure aren`t. if you know what your doing, rubys and tourms are easy to get rid of, so instead of complaining about it learn to deal with it. it will make you a better player and make the game alot less annoying. |
BadSicilian
99+ day(s) ago | too good for that build rate? even with the great mods they get owned by everything that owned them before. so why complein? your just mad you can`t RE them anymore. get over it. |
archaeoptyrex
99+ day(s) ago | Just checking again ...
Lictor mods ... are they what they say in the manual? If so they`re still too good for that build rate:S
Ship Attributes
Defense Modifier
Energy Shield + 85 %
Absorption Shield + 50 %
ECM + 50 %
Ionized Hull + 45 % |
DarckKnight
99+ day(s) ago | MOW ok? how can that thing be ok it needs less hull and more atack for the kinda range it has |
Hiigarans
99+ day(s) ago | Eternus> hmm, i dont mind Viral RE those D class. without D class, Viral still can spam those non-D class Marauder ships.
lmao. i knew u cant do anything on the upkeep formula, prehaps u have to wait Stephen do it. also, can we force those Viral to tax based? it will result less effective on spam too with the higher base pr.
G n L class improvement. hmm, dont forget to nerf abit on Ruby n Taurmaline. well, i think 5% increase to tax income will be good to support the Guardian stacking in future too. |
Kusari
99+ day(s) ago | Instead of making the Angles un reversable, I would much prefer to see them have a higher upkeep (I know, I know, not now, whenever you are able). The problem isn`t the Angel itself so much as the fact that with their strong economy, Virals are able to support far too many of them in a stack. |
Eternus
99+ day(s) ago | Weeellllll we`d thought the same Archae *please all virals note this is just an idea at this stage* Maraudian suggested maybe making them D. Maru and thus unreversable
The G and L class is being worked on hopefully we``ll just need the PRs (scanners) changed to be a little more in line
D class, well obviously angels fine any sensible ideas for what the smaller ships need make a new thread and keep em together |
Archaeoptyrex
99+ day(s) ago | hmm, just encountered the new MOW -- its been nerfed a lot a lot ... it`s fair now for a SB (could even be a bit stronger!)
Um, how we comin` with D class for marus, or G/L class for Guards
I`m gonna stick my neck out on this one ... maybe D angel shouldn`t be re-able by virals? This would encourage a bit more diversity
*prepares for the verbal thrashing |
EvilAbadayos
99+ day(s) ago | some collective stacks i used a few days ago:
XXXX attacked you. Attack has failed !
Name Units Casualties Remaining
XXXXX fleet
M.Flysch Battleship 26 26 0
F.Broadsword Destroyer 120 117 3
G.Lictor 2 0 2
EvilAbadayos`s fleet
Large Strafez Fodder 200 154 46
H.Galleon Destroyer 19 19 0
H.Man-O-War Starbase 90 68 22
R.Sloop Frigate 64 64 0
H.Barkentine Cruiser 10 7 3
R.Snow Cruiser 10 0 10
H.Brigantine Frigate 150 124 26
Strafez Queen 30 0 30
F.Broadsword Destroyer 20 0 20
F.Sword Destroyer 5 0 5
You attacked YYYY. Attack was successful !
Name Units Casualties Remaining
EvilAbadayos`s fleet
R.Sloop Frigate 687 491 196
H.Galleon Destroyer 94 10 84
C.Taurus Destroyer 18 16 2
F.Broadsword Destroyer 20 20 0
T.Kalieum Cruiser 9 4 5
H.Brigantine Frigate 58 58 0
F.Spear Cruiser 4 3 1
F.Sword Destroyer 3 3 0
Large Strafez Fodder 10 0 10
P.Zeus Cruiser 1 0 1
YYY fleet
Nirvana Dreadnought 21 13 8
Large Strafez Runner 450 450 0
P.Thor Destroyer 28 28 0
C.Cancer Cruiser 25 2 23
T.Kalieum Cruiser 19 2 17
P.Apollo Corvette 220 140 80
P.Zeus Cruiser 7 2 5
T.Sentouki Frigate 35 3 32
Colonies Captured
Name Type Land Size
E.5957 Rocky 22
E.5953 Balanced 384
too lazy to dig up more |
Africa
99+ day(s) ago | I like the new lictor. It offers the miners something to play around with and you have to consider it when attacking miners. Increase the chlorite range by 1 and we`re starting to get somewhere.
Not sure about the MOW yet. Havent come across it so far, but Im sure its gonna kick me when I do. Looks to me to be a bit low in pr, but I guess we`ll have to see.
Yes, please lower the L class pr. And the G.class for that matter. That would make it fun to play guard. Maybe give you a chance to actually stack.
All in all, great changes. Glad something is being taken care of. Good job! |
archaeoptyrex
99+ day(s) ago | BUMP. The Man O War is still way overpowered. Collectives, post up some of the attacks and lets all have a laugh. |
Balzac
99+ day(s) ago | if the great Collectives have a SB, why not give the little Maru a SB ? |
TheMexican
99+ day(s) ago | uh...the point of lowering the scanner on the starbases was to lower its pr...i see no change in the PR...or has that not been changed yet? |
DarckKnight
99+ day(s) ago | by the way those aminer starbases still suck at least in atack/PR wich is the thing that would make them win a litle bit more i still see same power on manual lakko's are the same?? |
DarckKnight
99+ day(s) ago | heres how many ships it takes to kill 60 MOW in agressive thats 24120 PR
Number of ships - Ship Name - PR - turns
Neutrals
572 - Small Strafez Runner - 65.780 - 3
115 - Large Strafez Runner - 50.025 - 3
66 - Strafez Queen - 59.136 - 4
11.033 - Light Fighter-drone - 55.165 - 4
Terrans
9.611 - T.Ryu-jin - 76.888 - 5
1.286 - P.Apollo - 84.876 - 24
486 - P.Odin 97.686 - 17
172 - T.Garuda - 164.432 - 18
65 - P.Thor 105.560 - 9
8 - Nirvana - 144.240 - 3
11 - Tyr - 143.385 - 4
6 - Hercules - 272.412 - 3
A.miners
3.429 - M. Hal - 78.867 - 4
21 - G. Livid ( r ) - 328.335 - 11
2.286 - M. Alium - 118.872 - 10
138 - M. Epidote - 129.168 - 14
103 - M. Chlorite - 127.308 - 11
28 - M. Flysch - 202.468 - 7
7 - M. Lyth - 236.460 - 3
35 - A. Aragonite - 176.225 - 9
6 - G. Lictor - 348.312 - 3
Guardian
13 - Tourmaline - 84.630 - 4
9 - Ruby - 101.412 - 3
7 - L. Garnet - 299.068 - 4
5 - G. Corundum - 392.140 - 3
4 - K. Hun-Li - 204.896 - 4
Maruader
1.276 Eel 90.596 13
83 - Pike - 105.908 - 11
86 - Tiger - 128.656 - 11
5 - Pyth - 112.635 - 2
5 D. Angel - 116.030 - 2
Collectives
515 - R. Pinnace - 83.430 - 4
125 - R. Sloop 69.750 4
188 - H. Brigantine - 38.164 - 2
115 - H. Galleon - 227.240 - 10
138 - R. Schooner 280.968 - 12
80 - H. Barkentine 259.680 - 10
77 - R. Snow 236.082 - 10
Viral
133 -V. Borrelly - 60.648 - 6 |
DarckKnight
99+ day(s) ago | Hull/PR
C.Gemini 4,115 <-- bad atack 0.218, bad range,build rate Expensive upkeep!!!!
C.Aries 3.922 <--- not bad atack 0.392, worst build rate in the game!!!! very bad range
Large strafez Fodder 3.902 <--- errr perfect ??
Small strafez Fodder 3.636 <---- err semi perfect ??
C.cancer 3.326 <--- hmmmm small atack 0.194
M.Chlor 3.016 <---- very small atack!!!!! 0.181
H.Man-o-War 2985 <--- small atack 0.311 range 3 mods compensate for this 2, too hard to kill but don't mind me put it in the game ^.^ |
