grantweep
2012-05-02 |  | Maru income is too powerful |  |
Yeah, so gonna bump my old thread. Not posting in EE`s thread out of respect for the huge amount of time he spend ana.lysing the numbers,
but yeah as we can see in his an.alysis...pretty much confirmed what I said...with food prices at 10. The maru empire can actually reach a HIGHER PR compared to what the miner can achieve.
If food is any higher than 20 then this comparison is insane, Marus will be able to build 3x more PR in ships compared to tax miners.
So, what are we waiting for? I see a few solutions to this problem
1)either we nerf maru income/upkeeps
2) fix base PR (not gonna happen)
3) or insta some sort of market police system...keep food prices in a range where things are fair (I`d suggest something like 5-15) |
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FOUNDERS
99+ day(s) ago | MD/Grant i dont know who you have been attacking on tb but not many people leave 800 land barrens on borders so yes it does take alot longer to get the same amount of land as a explorable aminer. it could take a year to get 25 800+ land barrens to make a c2, now i dont think it takes that long as aminer do you?
you chose to go tax and plenty land and therefore you have to suffer the huge base pr. if you were minerals and had 40k land on 4c3`s as aminer would you make more or less than a aggri maru with 40k land? |
MajorDinero
99+ day(s) ago | spamming fez on TB only leads to disapointment, apollo. It`s one of the less effective strategies available.
thanks for the feedback JJ: I will refer brotherhood to your post. |
Apollo
99+ day(s) ago | i have an account on every server, and the fed boards on each server that im in a fed are filled with queen king spams from 20mil+ |
RedRanger
99+ day(s) ago | lol thats funny apollo, guess you dont play much tb then :P |
Apollo
99+ day(s) ago | why is this even an issue when everyone just spams strafez on TB anyway |
JJtheJetPlane
99+ day(s) ago | to avoid the argument we already went through MD, you should add a little something to the end of this bit:
"I don`t see how it makes any sense that an income stream with high base PR actually makes less money compared to an income stream that has low base PR."
should add `when both are spamming the most expensive ships available to them` to the end of it. |
BlackVirus
99+ day(s) ago | I so wish u played rt server MajorDinero you would see otherwise your just so dumb |
MajorDinero
99+ day(s) ago | Takes months to even get any amount of land with maru to start even on rt let alone tb
I`m not talking about RT, and on TB. It`d take me about the same amount of time to setup a maru empire and a miner empire. Just attack attack attack with maru. And for aminer, explore a decent C2 and then attack attack attack. So you are wrong.
No bases meens you can`t run from counters or vm build above the counters you HAVE to give out yo keep the land you have.
If you were a better player, you wouldn`t give out so many counters. Also, on TB it is easy to keep planets, either you don`t play TB at all or you suck. There are tons of high base PR explorable empires on every server, and it`s just so easy to farm them for borders. Being unexplorable with a low base PR (anything around 400-500k) is easy for TB.
Maru is ALWAYS market dependant and miner can elect otherwise
This statement is blatently false. Are you dumb?
...just so many more reasons that maru should be the way they are I am not gping to go further.
Please enlighten me with all the other reasons. Maybe one of them will be true, then at least you`ll have an argument since all three of your points are flawed.
I think your idea of the races being balanced is way off...each race should have its own personality. This bs of making them all the same is and has killed this game.
This I agree with. That being said, economy should be fair. If everyone had the same base PR, then it would make more sense if everyone made the same amount of money. I don`t see how it makes any sense that an income stream with high base PR actually makes less money compared to an income stream that has low base PR. |
Brotherhood
99+ day(s) ago | This argument is a epic fail. Maru has SOmany things going against them compared to a miner.
Takes months to even get any amount of land with maru to start even on rt let alone tb. No bases meens you can`t run from counters or vm build above the counters you HAVE to give out yo keep the land you have. Maru is ALWAYS market dependant and miner can elect otherwise...just so many more reasons that maru should be the way they are I am not gping to go further. I think your idea of the races being balanced is way off...each race should have its own personality. This bs of making them all the same is and has killed this game. |
ImaVirusOhNoz
99+ day(s) ago | lol blackvirus ;D |
BlackVirus
99+ day(s) ago | Im loving my 0 day maru acount hehe im so over powerd i will own you all lol Major, Grant A.Miner is an Unpaid Race, and Maru is a Paid Race If u think one or the other is over powerd then switch to that race otherwise Enjoy the race you are |
MajorDinero
99+ day(s) ago | thats not to say TBers dont use the little ships like pike, chlorite etc...it`s just very rare that we will, when the objective is to storm the ranks.
Tons of people use those ships, but they play at a lower PR...at levels where income matters less... |
MajorDinero
99+ day(s) ago | on TB it`s all about turn efficiency. You spam the fastest building ships if you want to win.
Game mechanics are just fine, we dont need anymore BR increase and people on TB don`t need anymore turns.
And yeah, income is very important on TB...most of the time you rely on your income to build more ships...instead of hoarding cash to storm the ranks. |
JJtheJetPlane
99+ day(s) ago | correct me if i`m wrong, but your comparison on maru/miner upkeep is based on their fastest (and typically most expensive) ships. if that is the case, than in that very isolated example, i might be willing to concede that maru`s make more `effective` income and, given a miner`s base pr, no that isnt fair.
however, comparing only the fastest ships does not give you an accurate representation of a race or its capabilities. yes, i primarily play rt. if people on tb servers exclusively (or very nearly) use only the 2-3 fastest ships in their arsenal than perhaps the debate should be shifted from `base pr is unfair` to `tb servers dont have enough turns` or something perhaps more doable like..`increase all buildrates by 3x`.
if, however, tb players do in fact use more than just the 2-3 fastest ships at their disposal, than your upkeep comparison is not accurate and miners do actually make noticeably more than maru.
i am certainly open to the idea of base pr being too high (given the vast majority of my gc career has been tax :P) but i`m certainly not going to just roll over and accept the idea either. |
MajorDinero
99+ day(s) ago | Look, if you think that all this is fair, then that`s fine. But there`s no need to argue with me then, because there`s nothing I can say to change your mind |
MajorDinero
99+ day(s) ago | and it goes without saying at this point...the maru makes slightly more `effective` income compared to the miner with food prices at 10. And when prices rise above 10, it`s waaaay more |
MajorDinero
99+ day(s) ago | JJ, you said:
just because you`ve collected lots of planets and land making your empire hard to defend does NOT mean the system is in any way broken or unbalanced..it means you did a fantastic job building a great empire and now have to deal with the consequences associated with having it. you shouldnt be able to keep that many planets or have that much land without putting an incredible amount of effort in.
You realise that a miner + maru with the exact same land/planet count....miners will have like 7-13x the base PR right? |
MajorDinero
99+ day(s) ago | Maru with similar land actually makes more than the miner even with food prices at 10. When food prices get higher than 10, then it`s insane. This just does`t make sense to me. Maybe it does to you, but not to me. It`s not worth all the base PR that miners get...
I`m glad that you`ve at least understood my arguments a bit more.
I actually do think that agri maru is one of the better races...If you look at the rankings, a few people are actually starting agri maru empires as of late :)
I`d switch myself, but I already have very good aminer empires, there`s not that much point for me...also it`s harder to switch empires on TB I think that you are primarily a RTer yes? |
Apollo
99+ day(s) ago | As JJ said, Base PR: Working as intended. |
BlackVirus
99+ day(s) ago | I Agree with JJtheJetPlane 100% |
