ShatterdDreams
2010-08-16 |  | Petitions |  |
so as everyone can see, everyone has something to complain about on this game. Firstly i`d like to tackle Planet trading.
I petition that all and any trading of planets should hereby be illegal, so any battle`s that end up with one empire gaining planets from another empire, no matter the pr or the circumstances should be an illegal offense punishable by no less than a week of turn suspension.
While we`re on battles I do believe that any and all battles that would make ones stats look better by anyone definition should also be illegal with a 3 days turn suspension
Market transfers, if anyone buys anything on the market regardless of price then resells any of that same commodity within 2 months of purchasing any of that commodity no matter price, no matter if some has been made in that time, and no matter if their account has been restarted in that time frame they`re account and every other account of theirs on another server will be restarted. If they lack an account on another server one will be provide so that it may be restarted to make their punishment more harsh.
Botting, anyone caught using more than 10% of a days worth turns on any server per day will be blacklisted, there is no margin of error here, there will be no reviews buy staff it will be automatic and system executed. (no need bother staff over something so cut and dry)
Any forum thread, post or chat post that has any person can claim to see any insinuations in to another topic other than the one applied by the title of the thread or atmosphere of the chat will be silenced for 24 hours
Any triggering of any filter reguardless of how mundane, intentional or other wise should result in a 30% land, infrastructure, loss accompanied by the loss of all resources and credits.
The Ultimate Weapon should be scraped and the winners list removed from the game, instead I propose that the game will be hard reset every other month.
sign if you agree! |
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DarckKnight
99+ day(s) ago | hmmm interesting, older admins did a random check of the top 20 rank or simply when a uw started they did a check up on the UW holder, i wonder if this still is being done |
BadWolf
Game-Admin
99+ day(s) ago | SD wasn`t trolling and i happen to agree with his point fully..
Now i`m quite busy as of late but i did feel the need to come on and post a bit about the drama..
`so to sum it up, staff need proof, staff needs better ways of detecting illegal acts. most of the blame again goes to the creator, so instead of getting upset with the staff over this, write stephen and explain nicely how the staff could use more tools and logs for detecting things.`
In addition to this and most importantly staff also need people to report things to help make staffs jobs easier in actually finding more cheaters.. so if you know of cheating or suspect cheating (given YOUR understanding of the rules) then report it and staff (mods and admins...) will look into it.. even when Maraudian was here reports came in around once a year because no one bothered reporting then also to note all reports then and now weather replied to or not ARE looked into... all your doing is making excuses and i`m growing sick of it all...
Ask > Abuse > Report Cheating In case you didn`t know where it was to report
and honestly i don`t have much to say SD pretty much summed things up in general |
Slavyzz
99+ day(s) ago | Gotta say SD this is the most successful troll I`ve ever witnessed. |
HoneyBucket
99+ day(s) ago | I totally agree there SD... this stuff needs to be implemented ASAP or else gc is doomed... don`t worry I will pull some strings with BW when he gets back and make sure it happens. After all BW does anything and everything CC wants. *0~O* |
Omegian
99+ day(s) ago | @ Infernal, maybe SD had some new spacecrack spices that made him go over the edge in thought? |
GradualIncline
99+ day(s) ago | I figured it out, I just wanted to respond :P |
Seventeen
99+ day(s) ago | Not constructive, not funny. |
Infernal
99+ day(s) ago | all i can say is, wasnt this bloody obvious that this was a joke from the start?!
i mean...it`s SD!
its like how you can believe its a joke when loof or DM walks in and says they`re swearing off alcohol !
or when deil says he hates StarCraft..or somethng like that |
ShatterdDreams
99+ day(s) ago | most people just whine about things they suspect. they never try to report it because they think it`ll be ignored because they`ve never seen anything done about their reports in the past. the staff needs proof people. without proof, enact punishment on an empire would be the same as any of the crimes and punishments i laid out in my thread.
further more are those who think the staff is bias, and that`s their reason why they don`t bother reporting things because they think they`re on the wrong side of the fence from the staff members... well believe it or not, your right, the staff is bias and it always has been, it`s bias towards UC. anyone who`s spent any time on this game knows that
what does UC have to do with things on GC, you think updates are the only thing GC lacks, it needs revamps of everything. things to better help the staff make the game more fair, to catch those cheaters....sure stephen is the first to blame when people say GC is dying, but when it goes to up holding the rules and regs of GC people almost always start pointing their finger at either a member of the staff or the whole staff in general.
this game has lacked security features for so long and alot of other things as well, while the rest of the world develops more and more ways to cause mistif, it`s like being a knight trying to fight in a modern war with your sword. there`s only so much you can do with antiquidated tools...
so to sum it up, staff need proof, staff needs better ways of detecting illegal acts. most of the blame again goes to the creator, so instead of getting upset with the staff over this, write stephen and explain nicely how the staff could use more tools and logs for detecting things.
thank you |
ShatterdDreams
99+ day(s) ago | all the issues i List have grey area`s and that`s what i was targeting, i`ll say it again, this is not serious, if any of these were implemented it effectively be the final nail in GC`s coffin...alot of people seem to have their own interpretations of what is right and just on this game whether it in the rules or not or has ever been for that matter. example, getting complains of people swearing that someone is botting because they are on 16 hours a day avg. then after there is no evidence that botting is going on people get mad and fussy because they think the staff is ignoring or letting that person slide
another example of planet trades, PT is a thin line, it`s hard to distinguish what is a PT us and what isn`t. of course if someone repeats a pattern it`s made easier but when people start planing extravagant pt`s they look just like any other battle among countless thousands, just like the problem with guards trading away planets to get them loyalty.
and my personal favorite those who complain about people on the chat or forums ect. trying to be Guides blowing things way out of proportion. it get utterly ridiculous
as for market transfers yes there can be abuse and i`m sure there is. but by definition anything dealing with the market is a transfer and anything can be seen as such, just like a guard who buys food at 4 or so when it`s low and then 2-3 months later resells it for 14-15...is that not a transfer of course it is....you may think not simply because it`s not instantaneous, but honestly nothing happens quickly over any GC server any more.
people always think they`re right or correct and they get mad when something doesn`t go their way. especially those who`ve been punished for something in the past and they suspect someone of doing the same thing now and they never seem them punished.
to be continued... |
MajorDinero
99+ day(s) ago | snafu said: The UW rule could be even easier. A UW empire cannot sell during the UW.
The 96 hour rule would make it fair during a UW to prevent money from being transferred to certain empires for protection of the UW or to attack a UW.
that would be tremendously unfair to agriculture based empires, seeing as how their income is measured in food...bad idea. An idea to prevent income generation for UW empire DURING the UW, would ONLY be fair. If opposition could not use BTCs during the UW. |
Snafu
99+ day(s) ago | This issue can be fixed fairly simply. Once an empire makes a purchase the game can prevent them from selling that item within 96 hours. It would not prevent the practice, but it would make it very inconvenient.
The UW rule could be even easier. A UW empire cannot sell during the UW.
The 96 hour rule would make it fair during a UW to prevent money from being transferred to certain empires for protection of the UW or to attack a UW. |
Omegian
99+ day(s) ago | Eh, this should have waited till BW was back and able to post.
Ill just give my 2 cents input. It took 3, yes 3 years to finally get us to modify ships and add new ships. If we for some reason did decide to add or change things this scale it might take a decade.
I am not trying to be negative SD, but in most cases these are all still illegal, the only one that you would have issues with is the market transfers. With a lower player base you will think these are market transfers but in some retrospect they are not really, some are, some aren`t and its only arguable when checked. The problem is 45 players online average ... You wouldn`t see market transfer as bad as it is now as if we had oh 300 people with a higher demand/supply economy rolling.
If you want to blame the rules and regulations of this game, you should put out your frustration to the creator and his ill will and lack there of in other areas ... well all areas to promote, efficiently program, create the game to a higher standards. The only people who took the game into a higher standard have been so far, admins, mods and guides.
But hell, what do I know, Im just an old retired vet whose seen this player base dwindle but a few groups remain loyal fighting the same bunch over and over each day.
Anyhow, lets see what happens. |
VALJA
99+ day(s) ago | normally i do care for this kind of thread and give a long piece of my mind...
nowadays... i don`t give a fill-in-the-blank-with-whatever-word-suits-you in SFGC anymore...
with Stephen doesn`t care much anymore and the game`s going nowhere, i`ll be dang freaking suprised myself IF i`m going to renew my paid acc after this...
so good luck with all these "extras" for whatever left in this game... easier job after this eh? |
GradualIncline
99+ day(s) ago | MD, if the UW hard resets ever happened I`d be gone in a flash, there`d be no point in having an empire like I`ve built up over the years if I`ll lose everything I worked for because of some person or event that resets all my stuff. Especially the artis, they`re the only reason I haven`t reset my empire, having maxed out rares, uncommons and commons, (excepting of course bases, and minor gentes) as well as quite a few uniques and specials, then having them all, or mostly, disappear because I happened to be on vacation while someone set off an UW? No way
As for my loyalty planet giveaways, it`s not like it wasn`t open to everyone. When I did them, I was in my own fed so that everyone could go after them. Were I to purposefully trade them to a select crowd or person, then sure, ban me, it`s illegal, but everyone had a fair chance at winning them from me. Even high pop empires could drop in pr to snag my planets, then repop, as I had happen a couple times when I was giving planets away. And while guardian empires liked the high loyalty planets more than others, I`m sure any tax empire would appreciate not having to take as much time rewarding their people to max out income.
Anyway, I`m going to bed, I spent a lot more time in this thread then I`d planned :P |
Ragnarok
99+ day(s) ago | Ok, now I see I`ve been had. LOL
Sad thing is, Major Dinero is right I could honestly see certain people writing stuff like this. |
Ragnarok
99+ day(s) ago | SD`s post lacks intelligence in many (scratch that, most) areas and totally redundant in others and heres why:
Planet trading is already illegal, so check
Artificially inflating battle stats, also already illegal (case in point, during an event the npc was in np w/ 1 planet but could still attacked, admins said not to attack the npc or else you`d be suspended). Also check.
Market transfers are already illegal, but it is up to admins to determine if it happened (it`s usually obvious if admins see it). However, your idea to fix "market transfers" makes no sense and is totally unneeded. Also, it requires a "Stephen fix" cuz that sort of thing requires changes to coding on the site, and anyone who`s been here long enough knows that WON`T happen (nor would we want him to mess with the code, considering that the game`s code is unpredictable and he`s not that good at coding anymore if the rumors are true).
Botting, also illegal, and your suggestion on this topic would make 0 sense since you would be banned after using like 6 turns on slow (a "Day`s worth of turn" on that server since I assume "any server" includes slow too). Total silliness, and this paragraph alone robs your post of any legitimacy or seriousness.
The filter idea is even worse than the botting one and usually requires no more than a silence or 1 - 7 day suspention for the worst offenders.
Forum thread thing I don`t even understand.
And scrapping the UW - requires changes to coding and is worst idea out of all of them.
Now can an admin please close this thread? I THOUGHT threads about rules were not allowed on this forum. |
Selkhet
99+ day(s) ago | hahaha, this post made perfect sense. It was clearly aimed at all the complainers |
GradualIncline
99+ day(s) ago | I`m going to have to take this thread as a joke, all the clauses there are silly and completely unworkable....And you`ve just confirmed it, but I`ll post this anyway, since I went and wrote it :P
Trading of planets illegal
Means that you can no longer win any planets in any battle, otherwise you get a week of suspension.
Any battle win, which by definition makes your battle ratio, win count, and (if attacking) colony captured count increase would get you suspended for three days.
Thus if you fight, if you win you get suspended, if the other guy wins he gets suspended. *smacks forehead*
Market transfers
Resetting of every empire that person owns if they trade anything they`ve bought something of in the last two months, even if they`ve restarted in that time, and thus could not possibly be holding any of that item in their empire.
*bounces forehead off the nearest wall*
Botting
People enjoying the game, and being enthusiastic about using their turns will no longer be allowed to play, because wanting to play the game is just wrong. *smacks himself in the forehead with a book*
Forum
Speaking about the past is expressly forbidden, or anything else other than what is supposed to be talked about, and thus you get duct tape slapped over your mouth for a day *smacks a brick into his face*
Filter
Trigger it and you loss 30% of everything *thinks about it, then smacks his forehead repeatedly into a moving fan*
The Ultimate Weapon
Scrapped and instead you lose everything you`ve tried to make every two months, not that you can use more than 10% of turns a day, or battle/defend, or buy, then sell anything on the market. *runs a saw blade across forehead*
*dies of repeated blows to the head at the silliness of the thread* |
MajorDinero
99+ day(s) ago | I give feedback whenever I can and I`ve been involved in a few discussions to improve game balance. The scary thing about your suggestions is that I can see people seriously suggesting something like that. |
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