EphemeralEternity
2009-07-15 |  | Marauder/viral upkeep changes |  |
To encourage more stacking and yatta yatta, make people stack more/use other ships...Blaah blaah. i present to you plausible changes to ship upkeeps
rant now or forever hold your peace, and remember it could be worse ^^
Changes courtesy of: EphemeralEternity, BrokenSwordS, Deiloche, Raistilin...and Stephen for always being so loving and supporting ^^
Ship - old upkeep - new upkeep -pr`s
Thresher 2,023 - 2,271 - 11,956
Pyth - 750 - 4,280 - 22,527
D.Angel - 1,065 - 4,641 - 23,206
D.Hammerhead - 570 - 632 - 3,612
D.Bullhead - 660 - 1,140 - 6,336
Pike - 410 - 382 - 1,276
Barracuda - 432 - 522 - 2,272
Shark - 345 - 307 - 2,052
Tiger - 468 - 448 - 1,496
Eel - 22 - 10 - 71
Manta - 30 - 13 - 86
Ray - 37 - 12 - 82
Piranha - 165 - 56 - 379
Sting - 272 - 241 - 1,611
V.Borrelly - 180 - 271 - 452
V.Chiron - 7,500 - 9,241 (if left alone) 12,937 (if the ship is reworked) - 18,482
V.Cronus *le-sigh* perfection, can it be more sweet?
brought to you by the Better Ship Building Bureau of colony E.6111 (BSBB)
Edited by BrokenSwordS on 2009-07-15 |
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Maraudian
99+ day(s) ago | manual takes a server refresh ro refresh |
DarckKnight
99+ day(s) ago | hmm pyth and sting upkeeps seem to be the same in the manual |
Maraudian
99+ day(s) ago | upkeeps done |
Blazin
99+ day(s) ago | sorry i have been away from the game for awhile and when i came back d class was no longer in the marauder ship list in manual. i merely assumed |
MastaKilla
99+ day(s) ago | Since when is D class taken from Marauders??? They are posted as Dark Marauder ships in the manual, but thats just to show they are uncapturable. Just as G lictor is listed as a guardian ship. |
Blazin
99+ day(s) ago | i dont really understand why marauders and virals are being nerfed so harshly. First while i was gone D class was taken from virals which is fine. but also from marauders that is excessive. and, why are you now proposing to increase upkeep on already weakened marus... that doesnt make any sense to me.
i disagree completely with this |
OpusDei
99+ day(s) ago | try it this way...
pike sting hammer bull thesher pyth angel... |
Slavyzz
99+ day(s) ago | take schooner out of the equation and put corsair. |
collective1
99+ day(s) ago | hahaha i just tyr to make a poit
stop make assupmtios n do da mazzamatix like Deiloche(G)
pick da best colls and marus ships
sloop pinn brig gall schoo bark snow
pike tiger bar ham bull pyth angel
with da updates
coll average 22,922 builrate .72 weap 1.37 hull .30 upkeep
maru averge 22,961 buildrat .77 weap .94 hull .23 upkeep
i pick coll and win
*big hug with gall inf and OD under a tee-pee |
OpusDei
99+ day(s) ago | yeh.if u spam your *pets your galls...
try arms raceing a maru whilst stacking. fail! |
Infernal
99+ day(s) ago | have we found a new TPE? |
Slavyzz
99+ day(s) ago | collective1 should be ignored, as has just been made apparent to me marauders can build much faster than collectives to good effect. Our incomes are fine. |
Deiloche
99+ day(s) ago | collective1, are you TRYING to provoke me into nerfing collectives, or are you just more than a little slow? |
collective1
99+ day(s) ago | we all mess up sometimes weird is good
kow what else is good? collectives
i think ivea good record against marus ad marus got 2 lousy fast ships but our good ships build faster tha thers!
*hugs galleo |
Deiloche
99+ day(s) ago | I screwed up on the agri yield for collectives. Explains why the numbers looked so weird. I looked at mineral generation, not agri. This is why I shouldn`t post at 8 am in the morning when I haven`t slept yet and am heading to bed. :P My apologies for my moronic post. ^^;
Collective: 1.5 * 0.35 = 1.275
Marauder: 0.5 * 1.3 = 0.65
So colls make double the food of marauders. Collective upkeep definitely isn`t double that of marauders, but... marauders have superior buildrate, generally superior (overall) ships, and are a paid race whereas collectives are not. So I still stand by the upkeeps. ^^;
Though perhaps it means collectives should see a reduction in income? ;) |
Slavyzz
99+ day(s) ago | Yes but the point is not lost that as we cluster the agri yield on those clusters becomes negative. Just not as negative as deil first said. |
raven
99+ day(s) ago | opps got cut off :S
Similare C.1 Detail
Planet which has been assimilated by the Collective Race
Population growth + 20
Agriculture 0
Mining -50 |
raven
99+ day(s) ago | Similare C.1 Detail
Planet which has been assimilated by the Collective Race
Population growth + 20
Agriculture 0
Mining -5
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Cluster Lvl 1 Detail
5 planets clustered together as one colony. Acts as a planetary/colony upgrade and must be researched.
Population growth + 10
Agriculture + 10
Mining + 10
i think so XD |
collective1
99+ day(s) ago | umma my c.s not that number did u mix up food and mines
woooooooo colletive (^o^) |
Deiloche
99+ day(s) ago | Collectives have the little issue of being able to only build clusters one planet at a time, though, whereas marauders can use freshly caught prizes. Makes a big difference. Also, while yes collectives have a +50% on agri yield while marauders have a -50%, c2s have a +20% yield and c3s a +30%, versus a c.3 having -60% and a c.4 having -65%.
So comparing straight up c.4 to c3...
Collective: 1.5 * 0.35 = 0.525
Marauder: 0.5 * 1.3 = 0.65
Meaning that marauders, who DO have cheaper upkeeps than collectives, make more food than them too. And can also use captured land, while collectives cannot. That isn`t even MENTIONING the huge bonus of fertiles.
Now, it should come as no surprise after that why we have absolutely no concern about the ability of the agri marauder to be more than capable of dealing with the increase in upkeep. After all, collectives do and they make more than collectives. |
