Deiloche
2009-02-10 |  | Marauder Upkeep |  |
Suggested new upkeeps. This has nothing to do with virals. Marauders should have a more balanced upkeep scheme. All of these upkeeps fall between 12% and 20% (unless the math was done wrong, I outsourced the actual math and just gave rough percentages. ^^; You can blame me for not checking if something is wrong.)
Ship - old upkeep - new upkeep
Pyth - 750 - 2,707
D.Angel - 1,065 - 3,481
D.Hammerhead - 570 - 601
D.Bullhead - 660 - 1044
Pike - 410 - 256
Barracuda - N/A - 432 (New barracuda)
Shark - 345 - 347
Tiger - 468 - 284
Eel - 22 - 11
Manta - 30 - 13
Ray - 37 - 13
Piranha - 165 - 60
Sting - 272 - 257 |
|
GalacticMercenaries
99+ day(s) ago | marus should have low upkeep
thay allready cant explor for good planets |
guardian
99+ day(s) ago | with the fact that marauder have a extremely crabpy per turn income i believe the upkeep should be very low |
Euthanasia
99+ day(s) ago | Other than upkeep issues for reversed maru ships i think they are ok as they are. The baracuda and shark are a little weak but overall decently balanced ship list
The only thing i do think is wrong is income related.
I think the plunder income should be more based around land size and not population,.I say this because it is incredably difficult to get a decent amount of cash playing turn based. when i do manage to get some decent colonies it can take days to get them popped up and to me sitting about popping a cluster for days isnt what maru is supposed to be about. maru is supposed to be about attacking and pluindering not attacking sitting around for days preparing cluster to be plundered before plundering.
i reckon it takes 150 turns or so to max out a colony thats close to 4 days worth of turns on slow.
so i reckon the pop growth needs to be increased considerably or plunder price of unpopped colonies increased.
there is also a serious problem with the ultra server in that there are so few people on it to attack which makes surviving on ultra a REAL task financially.
Euth - maru on rt slow normal and ultra |
DanHalen
99+ day(s) ago | Hmm, i like it. I never understood why pyth and angel have the same upkeep as two destroyers at a fraction of their pr. will allow for the youngster empires to stack up a bit maybe with destroyers costing less. i dunno- do ittt.
barracuda seems slightly too high though... |
MirrorUniverse
99+ day(s) ago | I like the upkeep changes. It would make stacking easier as it wouldn`t cost a ton to use lower PR ships. I`m using tiger / pike alot right now and its pretty rediculous the amount of upkeep I have to pay. |
TheWorldUnited
99+ day(s) ago | that was ment to say
"i think u`ll also find in my post i never once said the majority ARNT plunder i just said there is a growing number of argi marus " |
TheWorldUnited
99+ day(s) ago | ok i dnt think i did take ure words out of context but i still wana keep this civil.........
i dnt think i`ve resorted to insulting u yet >.<
want to also point out here ure last post didnt comment about anything on mine except the i quoted u from a different thread
but ok lets for argument sake assume u are right and that 85% off marus are infact plunder....
i still offered two solutions that u didnt comment on at all
---change the pyth upkeep and keep the old d class upkeeps then make d class uncaptureable to virals
----something like make d class uncaptureable leave angel and pyth upkeep at 20-1 but make marus income only via plunder....
i think u`ll also find in my post i never once said the majority are plunder i just said there is a growing number of argi marus
even u can surly appreciate that 20-1 is a tad low even for the low income of plunder marus???
how about even a compromise of 10-1 (even tho i still think 6-1 is still very reasonable)
i would also appreciate it if u didn`t resort to flaming me just cos i dnt agree with ure opinion... sorry if the whole world doesn`t fall inline behind u >.< |
Crack
99+ day(s) ago | lol.. |
DrunkenMasters
99+ day(s) ago | Omg TWU I won`t even read your BS posts any more. It is just ridiculous how you take out my words from the context. I said miners aren`t THAT rich compared to terrans and virals taking everything altogether - market factors upkeep etc etc. And plunder marauders making 20 times less than miners is not because of the super high miner income but the super low and unstable plunder income. It is only reasonable on slow/normal servers. And if you take your lazy head out of RT will understand that over 85% of all marauders are actually plunder. You just don`t notice them because they stay in np. |
TheWorldUnited
99+ day(s) ago | dm u have contradicted ureself in a previous thread where u were arguing that miners arnt actually that rich due to unstable market now ure saying well actually they do earn 20 times more than marauders....
yes i can appreciate all of what ure saying thats why i`m only agreeing with the raising of the angel and pyth upkeep to 7-1 and 6-1 .... that is still dirt cheap ....
i could completely agree with u if say maru were plunder only ....
something like make d class uncaptureable leave angel and pyth upkeep at 20-1 but make marus income only via plunder....
but as maru do have a per turn income income via argi 20-1 upkeep is just too much.....
for example say food at 7 20k land and 40 inf u should be making 280k a turn that with the 20-1 upkeep would allow u to sit at 5mil pr making +money
and 20k land with 40inf is no mean feat not even for slow server
a terren with the same land same inf same food prices only makes 670k a turn .. how ever with there 1-1 upkeep ships they would only be able to sit at 700k pr making + income
I DO understand what ure saying that the upkeep increase does effect the plunder marus as they just save up cash then spam angels pyths against uws but u also have to apreciate the fact that that are a growing number or argi empires who will easily be able to spam these ships to high prs on + income..
this also would also balance viral as the ships they can capture will have this upkeep stopping them spaming high pr on positive income......
i still wana put across 6-1 is still a reasonably low upkeep.
the only other suggestion i have is to change the pyth upkeep and keep the old d class upkeeps then make d class uncaptureable to virals.... thus getting the best off both worlds.... |
DrunkenMasters
99+ day(s) ago | I have been plunder maru twice on TB for over a year each time. And I have to say it is hard and takes time and a lot of battles to save up something like 5-10 bil cash. If you screw the upkeep and make it like 4x as it is now, this 5-10 bil will lead you to nowhere in an UW situation... |
DrunkenMasters
99+ day(s) ago | TWU, plunder marauders actually make 20 times less than, say it, miner. Or some rich agri terran. So your point is pretty invalid. And believe me, on any server slower than ultra, plunder marauder is by far the more popular choice. And in fact, plunder is the way marauder is supposed to be played, not agri. |
Deiloche
99+ day(s) ago | Their spam ships are kept low for the reason of their ability to climb fast and be deadly against UWs. That is a feature of them that I would not wish to take away. |
Infernal
99+ day(s) ago | actually coll and maru make just about the same amount of money from plunder due to coll`s free 2x pop. colls suffer from having to assimilate, but save on ore( and maybe a bit of food if they have a base colony producing some) |
collective1
99+ day(s) ago | plunder maru should be easier to make money (relatively) than plunder coll. actually, a big difference would be that marus don`t need to waste the chunks of 5 turns to assimilate planets.
on the slowest servers, plunder maru is one of the most potent income types (scaled to ship cost/upkeep, of course) |
Infernal
99+ day(s) ago | oops, just woke up and brains and fingers arent connected well. plunder maru* |
Infernal
99+ day(s) ago | TWU : try playing a plunder coll on a tb server then? lol. only server its even viable in is possibly slow/fast..on the rest you hardly will even make enough money |
collective1
99+ day(s) ago | wow, all these changes to marauder will make them the tough stacking race they`re meant to be...
upkeeps could probably be reduced slightly to something like 10~15%...and I think that like other races, the capital ships should have the HIGHEST upkeep ratio, not the lowest... |
TheWorldUnited
99+ day(s) ago | woooo
i dnt see how this destroys the whole concept of the game :|
marus were always ment to have cheap upkeep personaly i think 8-1 on the pyth and 6-1 on the angel is still very low upkeep its not like there being pushed to 1-1 like miner and terren ships..... plus they still have very low mineral cost... they are still very spamerable... easy to spam than herc and tyr ... there just not as easy to spam... this just makes it harder for empires to spam up to say 200mil pr then carry on building pike borr spams in the compfort of high pr whilst still in +income....
Dm i take that a lil too heart
i always try base my arguements upon facts i am very open to suggestions for ages if u asked me should u remove d class from virals i would have said HELL no but now i think it is a really good idea... i will believe any point and idea if u can prove show and explain why it is a good idea
i just feel atm the 20-1 upkeep on pyth and angel is a joke compared the almost 1-1 upkeep on miner and terren ships..... although marus earn no where near as much as other races they dnt earn 1/20th of what other races earn ...... as i sed obove reducing the upkeeps to 7-1 is not changing the whole concept of marus having cheap upkeeps ... i dnt believe this will effect the game as much as ure claiming |
DrunkenMasters
99+ day(s) ago | And from what I see that will actually get your average stack cost up, unless you are stacking eel manta ray piranha. If you stack pyth angel hammer bull pike barra shark tiger sting it will go up |
