Deiloche
2008-04-22 |  | Petition Part 2: Viral Upkeep |  |
Well, I haven`t had any PMs objecting to the ideas I set forth and a bunch in support of it, so we`ll go ahead with my three ideas for the first petition. However, as a community, we need to agree on how to deal with the viral upkeep issue before we propose something to Stephen.
(I apologize for not doing this a while ago, I`ve barely been on GC this past week, been quite distracted.)
My preference for this would be to standardize the upkeep of viral ships based on their class. So, destroyers have one upkeep per PR while battleships have another.
Another possibility, one I like even better, would be devising a formula to determine the upkeep of viral ships, similar (although much improved upon) to the old PR formula. This would be complicated to derive, but it would work out better.
Or, the third possibility, which was the original idea WAY back when Stephen almost updated the game, is just a standardized upkeep with respect to PR. PR/1.2 or PR/1.3 were the numbers floating around back then.
Weigh in! Lets decide this thing. We cannot present a petition to Stephen without most of the game being unified. Once we agree on how we want the upkeep to be dealt with (with alternatives being offered to Stephen, so ideally we could pick the numbers we want for all three options I mentioned above so that he can pick whatever he is willing to do) then we can start gathering empire names for the petition. The more people who agree with whatever is on the petition, the less people who will be upset, and the more likely Stephen will be to do the update for us. |
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Edge
99+ day(s) ago | so what is next in the petition? |
Deiloche
99+ day(s) ago | Yes. The purchase price increase was only a temporary "quick fix" that Stephen did some four years ago. :P If this goes through, the purchase prices will be returned to normal. |
Bobbysindustrialpat
99+ day(s) ago | I mean generally for viral they have less income than terran/miner and don`t produce mins to speak of so on turn based the ship cost is really high.
If you`re stacking then you spend some turns to get the money back via the reduced upkeep but mostly you don`t spend many turns with a lot of ships before you`re attacked and they`re gone.
I remember the startup time for viral on turnbased is really long, mostly because if you build ships you spend your savings like they`re nothing.
Just a thought.... |
ArchAng3l
99+ day(s) ago | for people who want to build lot of pyth to fight high, usually if they are rich enough to support the upkeep, ship cost will be negligible to them :P |
Bobbysindustrialpat
99+ day(s) ago | Along with this change - would the purchase price of RE`d ships be reduced?
I ask because 1.5 mil for pyth with high upkeep makes it not that good a ship... |
Deiloche
99+ day(s) ago | o.O
O.o
We`re trying to FIX virals, mirror, not make them a completely useless race. :P |
MirrorUniverse
99+ day(s) ago | How about reverse engineered Terran and Miner ships being increased by 25% of their original upkeep cost. For example, Nirvana:
22,000 * 0.25 = 5,500
5,500 + 22,000 = new upkeep of 27,500
For Marauder, take PR / 1.4 , then take result times 25% and add the two. For example, Tiger:
1496 / 1.4 = 1069 (rounded up)
1069 * 0.25 = 267 (rounded down)
267 + 1069 = new upkeep of 1336 |
Bobbysindustrialpat
99+ day(s) ago | Three seems popular, so it`s got my vote too.
I guess the ratio should reflect the relative incomes of the races. I can`t be bothered to work out the relative incomes of comm terran vs viral, or what on average the upkeep terrans pay for their ships, but I`ll post the suggestion in case someone can be bothered.
Failing that, the values OD posted up seem reasonable |
Gronoria
99+ day(s) ago | I can agree on either of the choices, but pr/1.04 has my preference. |
Seifer
99+ day(s) ago | PR/0.1 would do nicely XP *ponders a 200k upkeep pyth |
Fedaykin
99+ day(s) ago | lol.. i bet CC would love having higher upkeep on their pyth chiron and angel
XDDDD |
EphemeralEternity
99+ day(s) ago | why stop at 1.4 lets go for 2.0...2 is better than 1 yay 2 |
ArchAng3l
99+ day(s) ago | I think this will only affect ship that viral re-engineer.. so we don need to worry about other race..
though i think the upkeep for some ship is still kinda low, we have to reach a consensus somehow.. so i agree on pr/1.4 |
MirrorUniverse
99+ day(s) ago | I am in favor of the second option in the original post myself, because I feel that a reverse engineered ship should be weaker or cost more than their originals for *all* ships. But I will support the PR/1.3 as an alternative.
Ishamael has a good point on the Marauders. And what will the PR/1.3 or 1.4 do to Terrans and A.Miners? |
Squall
99+ day(s) ago | nerf teh stinking virals :D |
Ishamael
99+ day(s) ago | i`ll agree.
Virals were a large factor to why there`s little point in being a marauder. and a large factor to why i stopped playing marauder. bring marauding back to life! please! |
Deiloche
99+ day(s) ago | I`ve been playing this game longer than rare, so he`s not THAT old. :P
Anyways... PR/1.4 seems to be the best solution for the third option. I would still like to work more on the other two options. |
KillerGuardian
99+ day(s) ago | We do nead to change the ship upkeeps and everything for viral |
Ragnarok
99+ day(s) ago | rarehunter = cranky old GC geezer
^_^
*puts up his cranky old geezer shield* |
Deiloche
99+ day(s) ago | Ehh, yoshi, this is upkeep just for virals, and all those numbers are based on PR/1.4. So the idea is to make ALL viral reved ships have the exact same upkeep percentage. Currently, the lyth upkeep is excessively massive, even for a.miners, heh. 52k upkeep on a 30k PR ship? |
