bobbysindustrialpat
2008-04-14 |  | bug or intentional? |  |
XXXX attacked you. Attack was successful !
Name Units Casualties Remaining
XXXX`s fleet
M.Lyth Dreadnought 176 47 129
M.Flysch Battleship 1 1 0
A.Aragonite Dreadnought 1 1 0
C.Cancer Cruiser 1 1 0
M.Calcite Cruiser 1 1 0
M.Chlor Cruiser 1 1 0
F.Spear Cruiser 1 1 0
C.Taurus Destroyer 1 1 0
M.Chlorite Destroyer 1 1 0
F.Sword Destroyer 1 1 0
bobbysindustrialpat`s fleet
M.Lyth Dreadnought 16 16 0
F.Sword Destroyer 360 360 0
G.Lictor 8 8 0
M.Chlor Cruiser 240 213 27
Strafez Queen 430 0 430
M.Flysch Battleship 52 0 52
F.Broadsword Destroyer 330 0 330
A.Aragonite Dreadnought 64 0 64
M.Chlorite Destroyer 260 0 260
G.Livid Fighter 15 0 15
Colonies Captured
Name Type Land Size
E.1645 Rocky 138 |
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DrunkenMasters
99+ day(s) ago | yeah the random stack is the 3rd stack in this case |
Perseus
99+ day(s) ago | swords attack and get wiped on 2nd wave, then lyth attacks your 3rd stack..... maybe o.o |
bobbysindustrialpat
99+ day(s) ago | Yeah bip that`s kinda the point I was making. In the sim the lictor (third stack) don`t get hit because a one ship spam can only ever take out 2 stacks plus 50% return fire on a couple of stacks.
In the game you can lose your top 3/4 stacks from a spam and that just gives too much firepower to a spam imo...... |
bipbippy
99+ day(s) ago | Yeah that`s why I was pointing out which Sim I used, and that the results were slightly different. |
Maraudian
99+ day(s) ago | GY`s sim isnt exact to the GC formula , its about 90% accurate to GC battles , its close enough to be usefull like but dont let it mislead you. |
bipbippy
99+ day(s) ago | Yeah DM - I was agreeing with you. I was just pointing out the sim gave something different because of the randomness. Although I did run it multiple times in the sim and it always gave me the same result.
Bobby - If the attacker had attacked on normal, they would have lost. The only way the attacker could have won was attacking on careful. At least according to the sim.
I used GreenYedi`s sim, in case it matters... |
bobbysindustrialpat
99+ day(s) ago | I think this thread is going backwards!!
If you run it in the sim, do it on normal because the attacker lost LOTS of lyth. There`s nothing random in this battle it`s completely deterministic because there`s only one stack left after the first wave. The chlor stats haven`t been updated in the sim so they die and kill more than in the game.
The sim doesn`t capture the `extra` attack the lyth get on the lictor because it destroys the lyth in the first wave and the stacks shuffle up so it attacks the sword. In game, the sword wipe themselves out with return fire from the lyth so the lyth become unpaired again. This may not be an intended feature of the game, but I think it might be something to add to the changes list to discourage spammers.
DM - I know about the extra stacks getting a random attack when they`re not paired up - and the battle sim captures this. I don`t think that happens in this case - the spam always seems to take out the top stacks, but I could be wrong. Maybe lod will shed some light since he`s seen this more than me? |
FOUNDERS
99+ day(s) ago | yup DM is right, it is random and is why you can get different results from the battle sim using the exact same stacks. |
DrunkenMasters
99+ day(s) ago | You have to simulate it more than once. A random pairing is really random... |
bipbippy
99+ day(s) ago | I ran this through GreenYedi`s battlesim. It doesn`t have the G.Livids from the missions, so I put in the regular ones. The final results were a little different as far as ships go, but the overall result was the same - loss of 1 colony when attacked on Careful. |
Maraudian
99+ day(s) ago | sigh i give up -_- , try listening when people like dm have the patience of giving you the exact reason in an easy to understand way :-) |
UberPansy
99+ day(s) ago | maybe the code sux heh |
Sol
99+ day(s) ago | Its normal. no bug. |
bipbippy
99+ day(s) ago | *bip agrees with DM, an unpaired ship attacks a random stack. That`s why sometimes your outcome might be a little different than a battle sim`s outcome. |
DrunkenMasters
99+ day(s) ago | Bobby, it`s the way I tell you, believe me, this topic has been discussed many times already and I was in the blue at the beginning as well. When a ship remains unpaired it attacks a random stack after the end of the round. |
Maraudian
99+ day(s) ago | there pointing out m chlor loss`s |
Maraudian
99+ day(s) ago | i repeat , its in the battle formula , meaning its in the code. |
CrazyMaverickTNM
99+ day(s) ago | Boby its not an error...
XXXX is spamming ur even stacked fleet
i only see 30% damage which means u only lose one planet... if he got 50% damage u would of lost 2
1 ships spams arent that great vs 10 stacks ships |
Bobbysindustrialpat
99+ day(s) ago | DM - I don`t think it`s random. They hit the top available stack everytime. The swords just exclude themselves from the battle first :P
Maraudian - just because it happens everytime, doesn`t mean it was intentionally coded that way.
Either way it might be a good thing to add to the list of changes, since it`s quite a simple way to make spams less effective, no? |
DrunkenMasters
99+ day(s) ago | The lyths attack random stack after all paired ships have done attacking each other. |
