Asmodean
2016-03-07 |  | Starbase |  |
New Guardian starbase. Thats as vague as it can possibly get. Discuss pros and cons and whys and why-nots....respectfully. Flaming will get you sacked.
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Ankaar
99+ day(s) ago | On average, guard build rate is about double the avg of every single other race |
OttomanKoN
99+ day(s) ago | Yeah i agree with ASM, that Guards are pretty easy to fight against, however since their build rates so high I woudln`t call them weak at all. They do the most damage to UW`s, they can single handedly destroy UW`s .. eTC. |
OttomanKoN
99+ day(s) ago | spartan its a bad design lol Too much hull increase Ionized hull modifier and decrease missile hull.
I didn`t flame note... |
Omegian
99+ day(s) ago | As far as ship tweaks, I kind of have a list, but I would need to design the ships in GY, tweak them, test them, etc. I rather propose ship changes that seem reasonable than half *arse* it by suggesting anything solid right now. What I can say to some degree in my opinion and I think many would agree is that Guards do need some ship tweaks in both good and bad ways as do other races if Guards are tweaked. In no way am I speaking on behalf of anyone or what Admins are going to do, but I have been involved in the ships and some starbases tweaked in this game and don`t mind doing it again. |
TranquilSuns
99+ day(s) ago | Tone down guards in general. Tweak a few miner/Terran ships. Modify collective build rates (increase), introduce a star base to marauder. |
Asmodean
99+ day(s) ago | A very decent explanation Omegian. Thank you. I put this thread out as a feeler to see what most people thought of the idea.. it is by no means planned to happen. Aside from E class, what do you think about other ship tweaks? Any race... |
Roflmancer
99+ day(s) ago | notice how all the guards are keeping silent.. "yeah we know u can hear us your ships are OP!" |
Omegian
99+ day(s) ago | Asmodean, not sure which part you want me to explain, so I will explain my personal opinion on this.
Currently, a couple of races are weaker to guardian than others in terms of ship utility (firepower, mods, etc.) and/or build rate of certain ships to combat that ship. I am negating spamming ships as whole and looking at it from a ship to ship basis. If I factor out neutrals (C & F Class) - Terrans have 7 ships with missile damage, ad 6 with kinetic damage ships (Note Kin/Missile ships are counted in both ship sets). Aspha Miners on the other hand 4 missile damage, and 5 kinetic ships (Same logic applies). Lets say I continued down this behindysis, the thing is half of the ships mentioned for each race either line up really well with their guard ship counterparts or do not. There isn`t a middle ground on some fights which is the purpose of guards on defense, you either win well or lose alot depending how you are stacked to your opponent and your attack style.
Some guard ships have too high of range and positive mod configurations compared to other races that are to use ships to fight guards (excluding K. Class configurations). In the pre-modified ship days, guards were substantially weaker to missile and kinetic ships than now and now have a more mixture of mods in the Kin/ ECM area which has made it easier for Guards to defend against certain races. On the flipside, the guards have an amazing shill hull/pr advantage, ship upkeep, and build rate advantage over most races.
Regardless of the mods/ship utiliity, the Guards have as many decent ships to use for certain ships of any other race to play with. Adding an SB would result in proposing to change other race ship mechanics to better reflect server balances of race ships. Regardless of how many guardians there are on a server or in the top 50, I do not see the logic of adding a starbase doing anything when you have neutral class ships that aren`t all updated since EE is working on (E. Class). Counter/Flame a |
Sandstorm
99+ day(s) ago | Also, why is Guard weak if everyone wants to be one? |
americanministry
99+ day(s) ago | Guardian is just way to high buildrates, there isn`t any race that can come close to competing and obviously they do way to much damage to uws because of that. |
Asmodean
99+ day(s) ago | Guardians as extremely weak if you know how to fight them. Worse if you are a Guard and dont know what you have.. I do not count myself a strong Guardian...quite the opposite. But seeming as how everyone seems to want Guardian ships nerfed, I suppose my real question is `Why?` |
Sandstorm
99+ day(s) ago | A new Collective ship would be nice. And it should be something to counter Guards. |
Asmodean
99+ day(s) ago | Explain please |
Omegian
99+ day(s) ago | I don`t speak for guards, but adding another sb would mean you have to vet other ships against it for every race and potentially make ship tweaks for other races. It is one thing if guards needed an sb, but they don`t. I am no way trying to quash the idea or discussion, but my question then do guards really need another sb or ship? Any other guards want to chime in. |
EPrussia
99+ day(s) ago | I dont have a problem with collective getting a new ship. no to guard they are overpowered already jesus |
Slavyzz
99+ day(s) ago | lets give collectives another ship. |
DarthCaedus
99+ day(s) ago | no way guards need another starbase. even if they did that ship is overpowered |
Asmodean
99+ day(s) ago | I do like it. Id probably boost the ionized hull to +10% so the shields would be more in line with the Diamonds...one bad weakness.
Collectives could do with another starbase also. |
SPARTAN240
99+ day(s) ago | Guard might get nerf but adding variety would not be bad.
I vote add a new starbase for Guardian & Collective.
Here my suggestion
G.Bromin
-- Energy Damage 0
-- Kinetic Damage 5,000
-- Missile Damage 10,000
-- Chemical Damage 2,000
Hull 70,000
Range 7
Scanner rating ####
Power rating 56,453
-- Cost per unit ###,###
-- Upkeep #,###
-- 1 turn produces ##
Ship Specials
-- No defense (This ship can`t return fire if attacked.)
No retaliation
-- Ships attacked by this ship cannot return fire.
Defense Modifier
-- Energy Shield - 40 %
-- Absorption Shield + 20 %
-- ECM + 30 %
-- Ionized Hull - 15 %
Feel free to insult this idea but at least i came up with one. But remember no FLAMING. |
Asmodean
99+ day(s) ago | A second so as to add some variety for defense. It doesnt have to be a huge thing like fhe Diamond. |
