Zexion
2015-11-13 |  | Ship Ideas |  |
We`ve had thoughts on everything. And I mean it when I say everything. So. Next on the list is ships. Not nerfing ships, but new ship ideas. So. Lay them down. |
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EternalWolf
99+ day(s) ago | Nerfing Aminer tax would benefit the CG market and wouldnt hurt aminers in the slightest.. they make loads of cash as it is :P |
AdmiralSarek
99+ day(s) ago | That`s what I meant, just like food prices rule out some empires making money on taxing, perhaps CG`s should be the same, some races can sell to their pop at 6, others 5 or 7, so there will be more of a market for CG`s and at a higher price. So CG producing empires will be more useful. Might need to nerf taxing a little bit to compensate though. |
EternalWolf
99+ day(s) ago | Put it another way, at 5 per CG, i make no profit as guard so that counts me out as a customer. If they were at 4, Id always be maxxed storage as i buy any and all i see at 4. Guards make alot more credits per turn with cgs than without. So, the easiest way to circumvent the issue entirely is to set the sell price to your population from 5 to 6. Boy that sounds awful like what it was when the market cap was set at 4... well, its the same thing... |
EternalWolf
99+ day(s) ago | I think he mean to increase the amount you get when you sell to pop. Buy at 4, sell to pop at 5 i think is how it is now. If you increase to 6, you can see the logic of selling at 5 on market. Now, its a storage medium because the only way you make money off CGs bought at 5 is to be out of DP. No modifier needed, and substantial boost to comm terran and comm viral income paths. |
ThEpAkIsTaNiEmPirE
99+ day(s) ago | well its not profitable after 5... .So I think increasing the price wont help.. We need to work the racial modifiers. |
AdmiralSarek
99+ day(s) ago | Maybe the CG returns should be more like 6 or 7 per good for the empire consuming them, that would leave scope for higher prices for CG`s and hence more cash for CG producers. |
ThEpAkIsTaNiEmPirE
99+ day(s) ago | That is why a racial modifier should be applied |
EternalWolf
99+ day(s) ago | Thats why theres comm terran. |
Razzy
99+ day(s) ago | CG terran is not viable. That +350% CG demand would mean you`d end up selling most CG`s to your own empire, other than to the market. |
Raistilin
99+ day(s) ago | Uhm... -100 to pop gen would mean no pop gen ever.
On second thought, Raist approves for Troll factor. |
ThEpAkIsTaNiEmPirE
99+ day(s) ago | Yeah I think We should either have a race or increase bonuses for a empire. Maybe CG terran lol |
EternalWolf
99+ day(s) ago | ctrl+c and ctrl+v ^^ |
Razzy
99+ day(s) ago | EW, I wouldn`t call them Bankers, that sounds like commerce or trading.. CG`s sounds more like industrialists.. This my little idea of a robotic race that has been bashed over and over again in the chat =( .. Could you repost this in the Race ideas post too? :) |
AdmiralSarek
99+ day(s) ago | might be easier to just look at the commerce and CG generation rates, planets bonuses etc rather than making a new race |
EternalWolf
99+ day(s) ago | Makes sense to boost Terrans commerce.. But while I love Guardians and would love to see them improved, they are fine as is economically. Patience is an investment with long term results, AND you dont have to be tax. A good eye and quick clicking can net you billions on the market, as will alot of exploring and ore mining.
Lets hash out some aspects of this proposed New Race. Lets call them Bankers
We will need to come up with some modifiers for their econ.. without doing the math, theyll need a large boost to industry such that it becomes their best income. Their CG storage will need to be more than 2 billion. The price cap will need to be put back at 4 to encourage sales, OR 6, sell to pop at 7.
Tax will have to be crippled so it is less profitable than Guard.
Agri will have to be on par with Aminer or possibly Maru if one wanted to choose self sustainability with a U. Fert.
Perhaps their ships have higher upkeep, are capturable to coll and viral, REable to viral, and a kitbash between T class and A/M class. A happy harmony between Terran and Miner ships lol
Since theyre Bankers, the class of ship is B class, named for financial stuff...
Lastly, they need a planet they utilize best.. barrens obviously and land dependent, but their best U class could be the Large with a commerse boost added to it.. that may benefit all races who possess larges too. OR add a new U class.
U. Capital: land range 2500 - 8000 ( 9600 paid )
+50% to industry efficiency
-100 pop growth
-100 mining efficiency
-50 to agri
Ore range 50 - 500 ( 600 paid )
For your Serious consideration, rehashing, tearing down, etc... |
ArmedTradingCo
99+ day(s) ago | I agree with upgrading commercial for Terran`s. This would be smart not only because commercial is extremely underpowered, but ALL new players use this and i think its a good idea to give em something that can contend with economies like tax, and agri to start out with. |
ThEpAkIsTaNiEmPirE
99+ day(s) ago | Commerce in gener suxs, but the point is to be market independent. Second agri terran makes bank. And viral commerce is horrible. Im saying lets make a new race specifically for cgs. Or give guards a cg modifier idk |
AdmiralSarek
99+ day(s) ago | yes fair enough, I guess I was trying to say that commercial terrans should be improved first.
I good start would be for clusters to improve commerce, which actually makes a lot of sense. |
EternalWolf
99+ day(s) ago | Gold plated turds are still turds... |
ThEpAkIsTaNiEmPirE
99+ day(s) ago | that`s like saying my dung is better than your dung. At the end its still the worst income choice for A.miner. |
