EvolutionX
2014-02-18 |  | Question for Virals |  |
Hey virals out there.. just curious, what ships from each race do you prefer to reverse engineer? And also do you prefer p. thor over p. odin or vice versa?
My preference would be
Pike
Tiger
Pyth
M.Chlor
M.Lyth
A.Aragonite
Hercules
P.Thor
Nirvana |
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ThEpAkIsTaNiEmPirE
99+ day(s) ago | It wasn`t that op either. People are not-smart they ruin the game like that. |
EvolutionX
99+ day(s) ago | nice input all; i really appreciate getting everyone`s opinions like this. and yes i also wish for d class. some hammerhead or angel would be quite nice imo. |
ThEpAkIsTaNiEmPirE
99+ day(s) ago | Man .. I wish we as viral could still have D class like D Bullshark |
DarkQueen
99+ day(s) ago | my choices are
pike
tiger
pyth
chlor
flysch
lyth
p.thor
tyr
herc
i dunno why but seems to work well for me and my play style some hard hitting attack ships but good defensive stacks with them |
LordaeroN
99+ day(s) ago | Woah, this thread is so 2005. Everybody being extremely helpful and kind to each other. Wow, I`m truly proud. |
wingnut
99+ day(s) ago | alot of smart stuff here. I especially like ee saying about cuda: "looks better on paper". It`s really funny how things that seem like simple math actually have a complex "real world" application. I guess that is what is so fun about this game really.
Also, weirdly agree with paki here. high BR, high upkeep, low range, caps are mostly good for spamming. You wouldn`t make a stack with them an hit on aggressive and you don`t need 10 different ships to choose from to make a spam. herc, lyth, and pyth do the trick. Get the rest in destroyers and make some wicked stacks, even if you like to build up high! |
ThEpAkIsTaNiEmPirE
99+ day(s) ago | yeh id prolly get all destroyers you can have two caps at max.. But you should stack. Its fun especially as Viral |
EvolutionX
99+ day(s) ago | Thanks for your input everyone, especially EE; that was a very detailed and thorough guide. Also, just to clarify, i was interested in RT server primarily. And i was interested mid range to high pr fighting. So im thinking a more balanced mix of destroyers and capitals |
PistolPete
99+ day(s) ago | Depends what your purpose is and if the Viral is for TB servers or RT. And if the server has many guards - or many other virals. |
DraconianParadise
99+ day(s) ago | To be fair EE misspelt Zeus
As soon as I saw that I just stopped reading
XD |
Jammer
99+ day(s) ago | I feel like EE wins this thread. |
Travvivian
99+ day(s) ago | Server, fighting style, economic choices, high pr v low and racial makeup of your server all (should) determine your choices. My Fast server Viral, which was always intended to be low-mid PR with a low base and primarily found itself fighting Guards after it`s inception, carries little resemblance to my last Normal server Viral. Which was made for high base and mid-high PR altercations, facing a slew of Terran and Miner spammers... You follow?
As a generalized "guide", however, EE has done an exceptional job with his little write-up. |
American4Ministry
99+ day(s) ago | If you plan to stay below 100mil as a low PR fighter then you can enjoy picking 7 destroyers! Thats what I would do.
You can chase people with lyth or herc but just stay stacked and u will have alot of fun
Pike
Tiger
Baracuda
Chlorite
Epidote
Lyth
Herc
Fenrir
Thor |
American4Ministry
99+ day(s) ago | The question really depends on your preference in fighting styles... I think nirv is the best spam ship in the game better than pyth if u have cash. I also think that the tax viral could afford to pick it but not comm or agri viral. I think thors are unique and should be considered if you plan to stack. As for herc and tyr, the herc is a must have with how many guards there are but the tyr can be replaced by lyth if you like |
WolfHaley
99+ day(s) ago | wow very well written |
EphemeralEternity
99+ day(s) ago | Maru
the Awesome power hitting race, that you wished you could trade RE slots for D class, but not any Maru slots you still want them but you`d gladly trade miner ships slots at a 2-1 ratio for D class.
Pike
the best all around destroyer high damage to pr ratios, a lower end hull to pr ratio but still not bad, 9 range, and fairly cheap no retal lacks no defense.the only real draw back is you can`t take it twice and it does build slow compared to other destroyers
Tiger
hands down the best pure missile boat out there when last i calculated how good it was it won around 68% of the time, thats counting 6, battles per ship ( one for each mode of attack with it attacking vs defending.) though a few ships has changed, for example tiger vs angel on equal pr can win on aggressive and almost wipe the angel, it will win vs lyth on all modes as well. It has 9 range, cheap the shields are ok, but it retains a fairly high damage to pr ratio while keeping a nearly equal hull to pr ratio which is nice
Baracuda
It looks better on paper, the only thing going for it is it has no retal and lacks no defense which is rare as a primarily energy boat, but the damage to pr ratio is a bit pathetic and while the hull to pr ratio and shields try to make up for that it just doesn`t work out so well. it works pretty good for anti v class and builds fast and it`s really cheap, but if you picked a 9 range ship instead you wouldn`t really miss it.. it has uses, it`s just more situational
Shark
it`s a cheap knock off chlor, it will perform the same role that chlor though it has alot less survivability (shields and hull to pr), but it`s a trade off for dual damage, a higher build rate and it`s much much much cheaper. so if you want to take a ship slot from the race with the most to offer an aggressive viral to open free up a ship slot from other other races with specifically miner with the least to offer...then sure
Sting
lol just get tiger
Pyth
the all around perhaps best single spam ship in all of GC, so beloved by spamming virals that some only ever build this ship no matter the situation because if you build enough you will win eventually, and it`s cheap enough so you will can wear out others if you`re tenacious enough. but this ship has kept high planet virals from losing many a cluster with it`s spam on careful hit twice for two colony appeal. Lovely triple damage high damage to pr ratio, and while the hull to pr ratio is low it`s not so bad considering it`s a marauder ship.
the draw backs of course the low range, and lack of no retal and no defense which actually help it excel as a spam ship in some cases. I`m really not so fond of this ship, but when your in a bind for cash and need to build high fast like chasing down a baser this would be your ship, and why take it over nirvana...while nirvana will probably survive better in most cases nirvana just usually doesn`t perform as well due to the cost and lower damage to pr ratio.
of course if you plan at playing at high prs all the time or Guards spamming quartz fluorite ruby and tourm in some combination or form greatly annoy you and then by all means take both
Terran
the race of hard choices, your bread and butter ships like the soul of your shiplist, while not as flashy as the maru shiplist and it can break your bank building them they are the must have ships
Ryu-jin
it`s fun, the greatest appeal oh and that near immunity to missile damage is nice, and the "it`s not so bad" damage to pr ratio and ok hull to pr ratio. but since the range is so low, and it lacks no retal and defense most people don`t even consider it but as a spam ship it can deadly. but honestly aries can do the same thing with generally better results it just cost more and has 1/7th the build rate.
Odin
a pro missile ship with damage to pr ratio over 1 it excels and would make a nice addition to any shiplist but sadly there are plenty of reasons not to get this ship.
you`re most likely going to get tiger from marauder if you don`t then you will probably get chlorite from miner and probably most importantly, Zues and Thor, most of the time when you go aggressive which is what destroyers were made from you want to out range your opponent and zues and thor are the only two ships which can pretty much out range 98% of the ships in the game so it really boils down to the fact that you have better options from terran, but you could get all three P class and be the scourge of the land, you`d just have to make sure to kill off any mineral miners that produce strafez and make sure to buy any that makes it`s way on the market to hold on to your reign.
Garuda
not a bad ship it actually has an ok damage to pr ratio and hull to pr ratio and of course 9 range is nifty, but the lack of no retal is a bit crippling It`s a good ship for terrans, but thats just it, you`re not a terran. virals just have better options out there, but if you want to have an all destroyer shiplist, then it`s defiantly a contender.
Thor
12 range...almost a 1 to 1 damage to pr ratio...i really shouldn`t have to say anything else about because that`s all you need, there`s only one ship in the game that can out range it, and that is another thor on defense. so the chances of stack of thor not dealing damage is astronomical even if there are a good bit of ships out there they are almost immune to it, but there`s many a time i`ve seen see thor kill off just enough herc or fez to make a difference. the draw backs, the hull to pr obviously, so if you have it assume its best to assume you`ll lose the entire stack when fighting...and the fact that it has no defense which means in some instances it will deal less total damage than a pr equivalent in chlorite by up to 20% less
Zues
the thor that lived, it`s a trade off of damage and range for added survivability, some times you don`t need 11 range and 10 will do the job, and in some cases that thor won`t live past the first wave this ship has much higher odds which in turn means it has the potential to do more damage and less likely to add to your total pr losses, if you not the kind of person who has an addiction to the aggressive mode of attack, and if you know you`re going to get hit on careful or normal much more than aggressive then this could be a better choice than thor.
Kalieum
a worse version of both chlor and shark combined there`s just no point really, i`m not saying it won`t pull it`s weight in a fight...but unless everyone starts spamming only fez ships that those days will be entirely few and far between
Fenrir
a good all around ship ok shields the upkeep to pr ratio is good as far as terran ships go, no defense for an 8+ range energy/kinetic ship..and a decent hull to pr and damage to pr ratio with dual damage.. it`s pretty good but it`s paid, so if you ever lose your paid you`ll lose this ship, also Terran is the race which offers some of the best capitals so usually you`ve just got other priorities from terran
Herc
The must have ship from terran, with near immunity to kinetic damage and high resistance to missile damage this ships and those two being the two most commonly used damage types you`ll encounter in a fight chances are it will act as a wall or at least absorb the brunt of an attack
The dual kinetic/Missile damage is nice even if the damage to pr ratio is on the lower end and it having a 1:1 damage to pr ratio it builds fast, and it has an acceptable upkeep to pr ratio..you can live without it, you can also live without the internet, but why would you?
Tyr
lovely emp/arago style shields which makes it the only missile boat you can get with chemical shielding, which is an asset when hunting down K class..It`s true that almost any missile destroyer can out do the tyr...except when runners are ran into it, but Tyr is much more turn efficient when you attack ships with under 7 range it can snipe plenty of ships from below on aggressive. it also can make an ok spam ship though generally it doesn`t do so well as a single spam ship unless you`re hunting guard. it generally is useful in a two-three stack spam. it`s also a capital that lacks no defense which only adds to the potential devastation it has
the draw backs are while it has triple damage type 90% of that is missile damage, and it`s has a hull to pr ratio under 1 and it`s shields aren`t high enough in any type to add to it`s overall survivor rating. and lastly it`s pretty costly it`s pricy for a terran which means it`s debt inducing for a viral.
Nirvana
usually if your going to take pyth from Maru, since pyth is the only capital ship maru`s have and it`s actually a fairly decent one you don`t really need this ship, you`ll need it even less if you take arago from miner, but this ship isn`t bad in any respects, sure the range leaves alot to be desired but a .66 damage to pr ratio and 1.1 hull to pr ratio with good triple positive shields make this a formidable ship and a great spam ship...spam it with pyth wouldn`t that be fun and a bit redundant but i`ve seen situations where it would be better than all of one. the greatest advantage this ship has over pyth is that it has no retal and lacks no defense which gives it great killing potential when attack no retal/no defense ships.
Empereur
Much better choices.
Miner
Fill the gaps race the race where you bolster your ranks with a little extra here and there, while the ship selection isn`t as varied as the previous two and the ships certainly aren`t as flashy they still have sturdy ships
Epidote
much like Garuda, it`s a good ship for miners with the same flaws and benefits it just boast more attack power and sacrifices hull compared to the Garuda, but as with the Garuda just because it`s a good ship for it`s race doesn`t mean it`s a good ship for a viral, there`s better things out there but if you want all destroyers and want to take all of terrans p class then why not consider this ship
Chlorite
a good missile boat, it`s hull to pr ratio aren`t as bad as p class. the shields aren`t anything special but what gives this ship potential is it`s lack of no defense which gives it the chance to do much more damage than it would seem on the surface which makes this ship just great for flanking. the 9 range is always welcomed and it builds faster than thor and tiger. if you didn`t take thor/zues and tiger or just want another missile ship then this is the ship for you.
Calcite
yeah...8 range missile boat, not much reason to have it as a viral, it`s useful and all but there`s better choices for missile ships out there.
Chlor
the most annoying miner ship ever, it`s hard to kill them all, even if its not spammed.
it`s hull to pr ratio and shields make this ship a pain to kill, while the damage to pr look low thanks to it`s survivability, it`s second wave performance impressive because there will always be a few extra hanging around to do some extra damage if worse comes to worse. 8 range make this ship even performs well in a spam on defense or for attack. the only thing that keeps this ship from just becoming the scourge of GC is the upkeep to pr ratio.
Flysch
the once former king of the miner shiplist until ship changes happened, this ship was for along time the only ship of worth that miners had, they would spam it night and day if they could have built 10 balanced stacks with one ship they would have chose flysch...but since lyth was given an extra 1 range some shield changes, lictor went from being a half dead fodder with pr of guard ship and the weapons of hal to the bell of the ball...and arago got a nice br boost and minor shield changes. along with all the other ship changes
poor flysch has remained unchanged and while it`s not a bad ship, it no longer has the mysticism it once has. it`s kinda of a 7 range version of nirvana and pyth, while it has a higher hull to pr ratio than either by far, it also has horrible shields compared to the others...also it`s damage to pr raio is lacking..but over all isn`t horrible what its though is that the bulk of it`s damage is in energy damage which was always the most positively shielded damage type, though in recent years i`ve tried changing that by making more energy weak ships, so it`s gotten a little more useful, but it would still be better off with more damage in kinetic. it builds reasonably fast and is cheap for a miner ship, and best of all it lacks no defense. so this ship can still be useful and nice spam ship to boot if need be. i have always had it in my shiplist but i rarely use it for stacking or spamming, there`s just better choices in either for my style of playing at least, the only time it see`s action is when i want to use it for nostalgia.
Aragonite
decent damage to pr ratio, shields, and a lack of no defense makes this a pretty good ship, considering it`s a fast building 7 range dual energy kinetic ship, it`s looks like a clone of the emp, but the difference is in the damage, emp having the bulk of it`s damage in energy while arago has it`s in kinetic which makes this ship much better at defending against missile capitals if nothing else, it`s a fairly well rounded ship and a good choice if you find yourself lacking fast building energy/kinetic damage. but it is a bit pricy
Lyth
Very nice hull to pr ratio especially for a missile capital, great shields too makes this a winner, especially when guards are hitting you on careful with spams or stacks.. this ship can take a hit and keep going, while the damage to pr leaves you wanting more the fact that it can take punishment and keep going evens all that out, it`s a fast building and a great counter for alot of ship, it also make a nice spam ship and the lack of no defense add to it`s prowess. the only draw back is that upkeep to pr ratio, but it`s probably the number once choice of a capital ship to take from miner
Edited by EphemeralEternity on 2014-02-19 |
EvolutionX
99+ day(s) ago | Yoshi why do you say that? Would you recommend pyth instead of nirv? |
Yoshi
99+ day(s) ago | Get Tyr and not Nirv imo. |
Jammer
99+ day(s) ago | There`s really no perfect list to RE, it always depends on your play style. Personally I`m fond of the following ships:
Tyr
Herc
Nirv
Thor
Lyth
Arag
Flysch
Chlorite
Pike
Tiger
Pyth
Barracuda
I intentionally listed 4 from each race, as opposed to just 3. Filtering it down from those 4 to just 3 is a challenge in my opinion. |
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