Deamon666
2011-10-01 |  | is guard still uber awsome? |  |
your takes and opinions on guards whit these new build rates in place
wanna hear the opinions as they develop :) |
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warmonger11
99+ day(s) ago | *shakes head at raist |
Omegian
99+ day(s) ago | Right now I am only interested in two things. Guardian and Aminers, the rest at this time seems balanced offensively/defensively with the new BR`s, so Ill most likely take my miner for a spin when things pan out on RT. However like Raist I vm`d right before this as well ...
As for this update, it was needed, said and done I guess the community can stop moaning about some stuff for a while and channel it elsewhere >.> |
Raistilin
99+ day(s) ago | Well I sadly I literally vm`d about 6 hours before they brought me into the discussions, otherwise i`d be out and about the ranks testing everything out. I`ll withhold any feelings about the changes until I can get my hands on some building and fighting time. |
Deamon666
99+ day(s) ago | ive had the most horible luck whit guard digs when i was guard i got better results when i was a tax miner |
ShatterdDreams
99+ day(s) ago | the formula for digging includes alot of things including population on the planet your digging on, and since guards are almost exclusively tax their population is generally high.
There are alot of components in the digging formula that even Stephen himself can not verify and in my experience digging with a terran or miner isn`t that great, usually better than viral yes but not guard from what i`ve seen with my own eyes. |
Deamon666
99+ day(s) ago | hehe raist`s here so how you liking the br`s or did you get to play whit them yet? |
Raistilin
99+ day(s) ago | I would really enjoy it if you would send me this formula you say to have; thanks in advance. |
DrunkenMasters
99+ day(s) ago | Guardian best race for digging? Are you drunk or high? The formula for digging includes difficulty, and guard is a difficult race according to the difficulty. And if somebody thinks guards dig better than terrans and miners, they haven`t been digging with terrans or miners.
And before you start flaming me, I have been digging a lot with my 1200+ days old guard, and even more with miner and terran(and what not). Usually on rare time. |
EvilAbadayos
99+ day(s) ago | Guard gained an increase in BR for some of their ships, just not as many as other races to put them more in line with the other races build rates.
That is all this update has done, no other changes to ship modes besides BR have been touched, same with racial income modifiers or anything else anyone may think. Only BR`s have been changed. It was a solution to the general feel of Guards building too fast prior to this and so that people can enjoy fighting more, rather than just building fleets and having to log cos it takes too long to get where they want to be. |
Ninetales
99+ day(s) ago | other then a collective and an aminer, the ranks been pretty quiet, so i`ll be waiting for more empires to flex their empire in the coming ultimate weapon activation to have a better idea whats the effect in an actual battle for ranks =) |
Crack
99+ day(s) ago | Whatever the reason maybe.. We are using minerals.. I hope miners get a little extra boosts eg 10%hull increase so that theres a lil bit of minerals selling around.. Upkeep have to be increased as well to ensure they sell the minerals..
Terran and collective are the diggers.. Dont know where ya all get aminer or guards from..
Seeing with all these changes i just wished to be a guardian seeing they are not so uber awesome.. |
Deamon666
99+ day(s) ago | ok thank you i likes these much better this is exactly what i was looking for
evedice that guards did not get TOO MUCH of a nerf whit thses changes i like what i hear in those 2 post you put up
i wanna hear more on how this br uptade BENEFITS guards i don`t care so much how its gotten neft cus tecnically it was givin more then what it started whit so its an update more then a nerf
what did guards gain in the deal? how else dus this affect spamming stacking defending attacking camping i wanna hear it all |
Ninetales
99+ day(s) ago | I am cool with it really =) Strafez/K Class shields been my all time favorite blocking ships for guardians ...
i`ll look into Con eventually i think in my fleet =) since i have bad memories of Con when i first used guardians |
EvilAbadayos
99+ day(s) ago | The main issue with buffing K class is then it makes Guard having multiple ships that build at 90k+ where as other races only have 1 or none in the case of Collective. If we did do that, it would defeat the whole point of the BR increases (as a slight nerf to Guard outbuilding every one else and leveling the playing field...as well as the obvious less time wasted building).
Now the Con is a good blocking ship i would say to a terran spamming up to hit you if you spam it (assuming your not going to be pro-active and attack). It may not do much damage to them, but it does kind of stop them I guess (remember I`m a terran player and not played guard in over 4 years, if I`m wrong point it out :P ).
You bring up an interesting point also Ninetales regarding Neutrals will get used more, which is another of the intentions of the BR buff. I`m seeing more fodder walls and runner/queen/king stacks than I used to in the ranks due to how fast they build now...they are no longer a massive time sink..yay!. |
Ninetales
99+ day(s) ago | mm with the increase of garnet and emerald ... more guardians should be slightly more adventurous as compared to the trusty old topaz
the quartz and conundrum though not my favorite ships would probable feature more initially to get some pr distance away from the 2 mil pr base
though i think k class should built faster then quarts or conundrum since its supposedly kalzul material , my suggestion is the built rate increase should switch between the two but never mind that since you guys should be able to kill quarts & conundrum faster
in all the strafez increase will make guardian stacking quicker in general... and quick enough to negate those angels and tyrs and garnets |
Deamon666
99+ day(s) ago | i especialy like lyth being sunk down to a mhe buildrate compared to the rest lyth is . . average br and i love lictor as its replacement as top "offensive" ship at building |
Deamon666
99+ day(s) ago | ok now i am getting info i can work on any other guards been out and about using these new br would like to speak up id like to hear about it and make a more informed desission
BTW all you (G) responding i am adapting i LOVE the new Aminer br`s and the neutral br`s too
AND i know WHY you all desided to try this i got that the moment it came out and i like it but untill i get more info from guards actualy using these new br`s by the stats writen out i could see it MIGHT be a tad too much but not by very much |
Priest
99+ day(s) ago | Im Guardian and the update i find is fine more rubies and tour per turn and my stacking seems to still be beating spam so im for keeping the update |
EvilAbadayos
99+ day(s) ago | The whole point of the BR boosts is to reduce the Guards build rate advantage over all other races that they have enjoyed for years now. If you feel it is unfair, then sadly you are failing to adapt to a new environment.
As has been said these are preliminary changes that are subject to change (like Garuda going from 20 to 28/turn just a few hours back).
As long as your feedback is constructive and helpful in assisting us in balancing out these changes we will take it on board. If the complaints are just `i don`t like it` or `i feel i got screwed over` or `i liked it how it was before, being able to outbuild every race as guard` then I`m sorry, but your comfortable bubbles have been burst and are likely to be ignored in favor of more informative and intelligent posts. So to save us time reading, and your time typing, give us good solid info regarding the changes and how they can be improved (build rates only).
Thank you for your time and understanding.
GC staff |
Deamon666
99+ day(s) ago | give guards just a litle more loving 3 more ships TOP even just 1 more would be good |
