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EphemeralEternity
2012-05-30
  UW Ship Rewards Solution  

Well as many of you know we suspended UW ship rewards for some time our solution for now is to create three different ships for those who set off UW`s the UW.Class basically from this point on when ever someone sets off a UW they will get one ship from this class, If they set off another UW as a different race they will gain another ship from the list, and if they set off a third from a race they haven`t UW`d from they will gain the last and final ship in the class,

There is more to this post (i ran out of room) look back it`s the first reply and make sure you read it all before posting because i may answer some of your questions down there.

UW. Eins Cruiser

E: 0
K: 1,250
M: 2,250
C: 0
H: 3,500
S: 104
Range: 8
PR: 4441
BR: 8
Upkeep (844 for guards) ( 2,220 For collective and Maru) (4,929 For Virals and Terran) (6,883 for Miners )

Shields
ES: -45%
KS: 35%
ECM: 35%
IH: 0%

No Retal

Mineral requirements

(5 WC, 2 TM, and 2 RC, for guards) ( 5 WC, 2 TM, and 2 RC, For collective and Maru) (10 WC, 6 TM, and 6 RC For Virals and Terran) (15 WC, 8 TM, 8 RC for Miners )


This would be the first ship received by everyone, Duel Damage and two positive shield mods.

UW.Zwei Dreadnought

E: 7,000
K: 4,000
M: 7,500
C: 0
H: 27,000
S: 1100
Range: 7
PR: 27,706
BR: 2
Upkeep (5,541 for guards) ( 14,130 For collective and Maru) (31,861 For Virals and Terran) (44,329 for Miners )

Shields
ES: 15%
KS: -50%
ECM: 65%
IH: 65%

No Retal
No Defense

Mineral requirements

( 24 of each for guards) ( 27 of each For collective and Maru) ( 100 of each For Virals and Terran) ( 350 of each for Miners )

This would be the Ship received for 2 UW`s Triple damage type and Three positive shield mods.


UW.Drei Destroyer

E: 500
K: 300
M: 700
C: 100
H: 2000
S: 80
Range: 8
PR: 2,032
BR: 15
Upkeep (447 for guards) ( 1,097 For collective and Maru) (2,418 For Virals and Terran) (3,291 for Miners )

Shields
ES: 30%
KS: 60%
ECM: 10%
IH: 50%


Mineral requirements

( 2 So, 2 C, and 2 RT of each for guards) ( 3So, 3 C, and 3 RT For collective and Maru) ( 6 So, 6, C and 6 RT For Virals and Terran) ( 10 So, 10 C, and 10 RT of each for Miners )

This would the the ship reward for 3 UW`s all 4 damage types and 4 positive shields as such the hull is kept low and it lacks no retal and no defense

All ships have fairly expensive upkeep in comparison to the race because each one of these ships are fairly spamable for some of the races the high upkeep was compensated by a lower mineral cost.

Edited by EphemeralEternity on 2012-05-30
Brotherhood
99+ day(s) ago
Seems there should be somewhat a compramise here..somewhat along the lines as this mabey: if you had one ship carry you are eligble for first reward ship. If two ships you qualify for second level ship. And if you had three you get the third level. Not saying all three just one depending on how many "rewards" you had.
wingnut
99+ day(s) ago
I am saying that the old rewards should be removed yes, but there is no reason that they can`t be replaced with one of the new ships.
sibiriangun
99+ day(s) ago
I understand why those who did UW´s are a bit frustrated getting their ships removed, but do you honestly think the ship carryover isnt OP? Having pyth or gall as miner/terran? It seems to me that you know this very well, since it seems to be the only reason most of you UW´ed... and some of you multiple times mostly in the period with the ship rewards.

I think the UW ships proposed in this thread gives a very nice (and fairly balanced) incentive to UW.
wingnut
99+ day(s) ago
Personally I only feel bad about my rt empire. I put in countless hours just to get the ship reward and will absolutely never do it again. What all that time equates to now is a few arties and a planet which can both be made with a few days of good digging. I don`t understand why, when admn are going into peoples accounts to remove the old ships, they can`t just replace them with the new reward.
AlphaCentauri
99+ day(s) ago
also, I am not saying to compensate everyone who ever did a UW, just those who did UW`s after UW rewards were put in

The staff will not do anything of the sort, I know, but at least admit that this is a BS call.
It was also a BS call to put in UW rewards in the first place (yea lets give people who successfully UW a ship that they can carry over to their next empire, nothing will go wrong)

But alas we are all fools to be supporting this dying (dead) game, ...hopefully something better will come by soon to replace it ;-)
AlphaCentauri
99+ day(s) ago
seems like a slap in the face of the people who did uw`s to gain ships...

uw rewards are too overpowered and they deserve to be taken away you say? well then they shouldn`t have been offered in the first place... i especially feel sorry for people like infernal who had really old accounts and had put so much in to their empire, only to be destroyed for uw rewards... and now they`re gone

...but for me personally, this will even the playing field :)

but going back to my point, doing a UW means nothing now to all previous players who had done a UW... even their names will eventually get overwritten in the Hall of Fame once more people UW... there should be some sort of compensation given to people who`ve successfully done a UW before, that is all I`m saying
Ragnarok
99+ day(s) ago
Forget it, old UW rewards are gonna go bye bye at around May or June 2013. There are simply not enough UW winners amongst the players for there to be a big enough outcry or protest. It would take a community backlash to reverse their opinion, and that only has a 30% chance of having a desired result if you were wildly optimistic. =/

If there is any consolation in any of this, UFP will likely be the only fed for a very long time to have players with access to such ships after the old UW ships finally go away. It would take an excessive amount of artifacts to get a UW past the UFP at this point on Normal.
Cattleya
99+ day(s) ago
maybe a solution would be to allow all players who uwed and carried ships over previously to keep them till they uw again. if they do so successfully they are entitled to get the new uw ships but would loose all previously gained ships. :)

and infernal, i understand where u are coming from very well
Fuzzy
99+ day(s) ago
Also, our community has always defended players` opportunities to keep their infra levels, artis, colonies, etc. from being reset. One of the greatest things about this game is that players are allowed to keep what they`ve accumulated over time.
Fuzzy
99+ day(s) ago
I`m glad the admin have worked out a solution. The new rules seem to be pretty good, although these new ships may be TOO good.
The 1 year helps, but like the other previous UWers who have posted (and at least 1 non-UWer) I am not happy about losing what`s widely agreed to be the biggest reward (excluding viral UWs). We have invested huge amounts of time, and given up powerful empires. Since only the ship reward could stack with multiple UWs, I certainly would not have UWed a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th time without any long-term benefit compared to doing just 1 UW.
Ragnarok
99+ day(s) ago
So anyone want to take bets on how long before these ships get nerfed? :P
GalacticMercenaries
99+ day(s) ago
I understand what your saying infernal
WhatIsTheMatrix
99+ day(s) ago
So this is merely a different kind of carrot...
Infernal
99+ day(s) ago
Cattleya: im not disputing that fact. in fact i said so, people previously UWed for their own reason, i did it for the ships. *IF* there were no ships, i wouldnt have done it.
and technically speaking, my situation(and all those that had UWed under the previous reward scheme) is different from those who UW-ed previously.

people used to UW because they can and saw it as a goal. most of us, didnt. but then a carrot came and was attached to the stick, then it became a goal. do you see where i am coming from?
Cattleya
99+ day(s) ago
" This is the same as why people who have done UW`s before UW Rewards even existed are not entitled to get UW Rewards. "

Word!!!

If i remember correctly it was deiloche who got the first ship reward ever given out which was this one

16/09/09 Deiloche Slow Viral 984 21,098,765

everyone below him never got a ship or any other reward, is that unfair you think? I dont know if you have uwed before that time but i think there are quite more people who uwed knowing they would just blow their empire up with no rewards given. of course everyone has their own reason to uw, but admins are trying to make things even and fair for everyone and this also means the game is still being looked after, with that said, a little sacrifice and understanding from a few people is all they ask in return.

i for one uwed and didnt check the forum, and it was only after the uw that i saw the ship reward was suspended and being reviewed, and that on gc usually means it will never happen. yes at first i was a bit disappointed as, like you infernal, i wanted to carry a ship over from the race i uwed with, but i had to face the fact i wouldnt ever get it. so now this new idea of uw ships comes as a surprise but if it didnt it wouldnt be the reason id be upset about blowing my empire up. the planet reward and arti package are a very good start for any empire, especially collective i believe. and again, its all a bonus, before there was nothing else but your name on a list! anyways, ship or no ship, thumbs up from my part.
GalacticMercenaries
99+ day(s) ago
i hope it never goes under :(
EphemeralEternity
99+ day(s) ago
New ships, new rules a new way of doing things, and it`s all better to start with them Now, it`s almost the equivalent of if we made using historia`s on people more than once illegal and decided to go track down everyone who we`ve known that has broken that rule in the past to punish them for a rule implemented now. it makes as much sense to me.

You weren`t given given false promises, you received a ship(s) to use, most of you have had them for at least a year or more and you will have them for a year longer to use and abuse as you see fit. No one said you would have them forever, Everyone saw this Idea of taking over what ever ship you wanted was a bad idea and could cause multiple problems and that that system wouldn`t stay.

The ships are going to be removed, you will not be comped with another ship because you UWed under the old system. yes there are a select group who are going to get the Eins, just the Eins, and not because i simply picked a date and drew a line in the sand and said all these people get a ship and all these don`t. they`re are only getting them because we feel they should be comped for all the time they waited on us to make a decision on this matter.

You can call foul, shout at the heavens scream til you blow a lung out, you can quit playing for all i care, but the decision has been made. i`ll will try to cheer you up though, at least you didn`t pay for the ship with real money, like all those people who`ve bought gordos over the years, just imagine how they`re going to feel when this game finally goes under : /
wingnut
99+ day(s) ago
land and artifact is a joke. you can make that stuff with a little digging...
Schaijk
99+ day(s) ago
i have never done an UW and i probably never will but i believe taking away rewards from people who have set up an UW in the past is hugely unfair. They deserve at least 1 of those new ships.
Infernal
99+ day(s) ago
BW: I get what you are saying. I`m just dissatisfied. because to me, I wouldn`t have UW -ed anyway in the past, had there not been an incentive to do so. people who did that in the past saw that as a goal to cement a status or just to complete it. me, i did it for the rewards. yes, true, I get to keep it for a year. but I did what I did for the long term benefit of the ships. and to me, I`m losing something that I see that I legitimately gained. maybe my voice is a minority, but I`m still going to voice it. this was my opinion as I didn`t know about the system limitations or stability. even then, I almost feel as if im being punished.

tl;Dr: if there was no reward, I wouldn`t uw. I did it for the reward which I see as being taken away from me now. and essentially I see the land/artifact as not worth my effort, cos I could have more land and artifacts by continuing an empire without killing it.

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