Nerf Miner Starbases

OP 22/08/2010 · 03:59 AM #1

Figured this has been mentioned enough to deserve it`s own thread and maybe we can get the the bottom of the problem once and for all.

Lately, every turn based uw and even some RT uw`s have been successful for pretty much one single reason, the miner starbases.

Firstly because they are very low in upkeep, even poorer races, that have kept a miner base from doing a UW can afford to build a huge spam of the base, as a relatively young empire on turn based servers.

Secondly, because they are considered, by most, "the ultimate uw ship." Not only because of the low upkeep but also because they hold up very well when in a large spam, better than any other ship for the most part; plus they build relatively quickly.

The fact that the miner bases have been used in so many uw`s, chosen over every other ship, is a huge sign that they are overpowered for the job. People should have to contemplate which ship\fleet to build for a uw... it should not just be a given that this particular ship is the only way to go.

As a result of this "ultimate uw ship," certain empires have chosen to uw as miner, they take the base with them and then can uw very easily as any race, doing this over and over again.

These bases have created a huge imbalance in the game, which is only getting worse over time. Something needs to be done to save the turn based servers and it needs to be done now.

I am not trying to complain here, just hoping to get an easy fix implemented in order to better the game play for everyone involved. Please no flaming, just suggestions and either, "I Agree," or "I Disagree," and "this is why," will do. Thank you.

N nedflanders

22/08/2010 · 10:22 AM #63

yeah and everytime I spam bases, I get wiped pretty fast. You`ve pythed me down at least a few times. They totally need a nerf /sarcasm.

B backoff

22/08/2010 · 10:19 AM #62

as far as wat i understand, nedflanders,Chaosmoose & Kraven are those who love to spam bases(recently)...especially MR.KRAVEN! spam bases then VM...spam bases then VM, he do it again and again..

i pay my respect to prolohz,AdmiralSarek & Eternal for playing a.miner race, so far, i never see them spam bases before...

H HoneyBucket{HH}OP

22/08/2010 · 10:11 AM #61

Ned, I always try to give credit where I feel it is due... and I am impressed by you and your fellow mates... you have played this game well and accomplished a great deal... I don`t overlook such, even if you are my "enemies."

WD... as stated many times below, that is not the only problem... and I think that the upkeep is too low, for the richest race in the game, without a doubt... it is a fact, once compared to other races\ships... but yeah that was the point of this thread to see if anyone had any other suggestions or pov`s.

E EMC2

22/08/2010 · 10:09 AM #60

WD: HB already pointed out that this "problem" is not exclusive to UW situations.

W WhiteDragon

22/08/2010 · 10:07 AM #59

If you change the upkeep of the SB`s because of them being "misused" by multiple UW`ers, you also punish those A.miners who use them for other legitimate reasons. Let`s not over react. If it`s such a problem, and I`m not saying it`s not, then let`s form a committee any carryout a study and staff the problem for a few years and find a fair fix, that solves the UW miss use, without skewing the a.miner balancing

W WhiteDragon

22/08/2010 · 10:07 AM #58

If you change the upkeep of the SB`s because of them being "misused" by multiple UW`ers, you also punish those A.miners who use them for other legitimate reasons. Let`s not over react. If it`s such a problem, and I`m not saying it`s not, then let`s form a committee any carryout a study and staff the problem for a few years and find a fair fix, that solves the UW miss use, without skewing the a.miner balancing

N nedflanders

22/08/2010 · 10:00 AM #57

I really appreciate the gratz from you HB. It does seem that whenever I do a UW...I get accused of cheating a lot, lol.

H HoneyBucket{HH}OP

22/08/2010 · 09:53 AM #56

Ned, you have been given credit... after most uw`s, not only my self, but others as well have congratulated the holder and defenders... and said things like well done, great effort... and yes certain boundaries you have pushed, but it`s hard to overlook the fact that a group of players abuse certain aspects of the game and make it miserable for others to play... and you can`t blame others for being rather upset and bothered about such happenings.

E EMC2

22/08/2010 · 09:47 AM #55

I agree with HB that the easiest thing to change would be the upkeep; it would fix both the "problems" he describes. If this is deemed necessary, then I can survive and adapt...after all, like he said, this would affect the POORER empires more.

N nedflanders

22/08/2010 · 09:37 AM #54

Feanor said:""" However, I can`t even believe, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that you would try to say that "people who do successful UWs arguably know more about UW game mechanics than rest of the server playerbase."

That is so obviously wrong that it doesn`t even deserve to be refuted. """

Oh yeah, i guess you took that personally...i assure you, i did not mean to sound all arrogant. But I mean come on, who are you kidding? You guys couldn`t even figure out (and I still don`t think that you guys know) why UrbanSprawl kept his ultra UW running for so long. Give us the credit for understanding and continually pushing the boundaries of this game.

H HoneyBucket{HH}OP

22/08/2010 · 09:25 AM #53

WD... the uw`s are only one problem... but yeah i do like the idea of not being able to take them with you.

Feanor... good points... the one thing that can be changed easily is the upkeep... and thus it is worth discussing and when a conclusion is reached it will be implemented.

W WhiteDragon

22/08/2010 · 09:10 AM #52

Why not just prevent the SB`s being taken as UW prizes? Then only miners would have them, who need them cause there the only good ships we have;)

W WhiteDragon

22/08/2010 · 09:10 AM #51

Why not just prevent the SB`s being taken as UW prizes? Then only miners would have them, who need them cause there the only good ships we have;)

F Feanor

22/08/2010 · 09:09 AM #50

Ned, I like your idea of making other races more able to UW. I saw a terran UW in 2008 that was a joke.

However, I can`t even believe, in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary, that you would try to say that "people who do successful UWs arguably know more about UW game mechanics than rest of the server playerbase."

That is so obviously wrong that it doesn`t even deserve to be refuted.

I think we have consensus on these issues already, except for four or five players, and those are the ones who *stated* that their goal is to take the Lakko from race to race and do a UW with every race on every server. If that stated goal alone isn`t positive proof that the Lakko is the problem, I don`t know what is.

The real issues to me are these: the owner of this game has not to this point found time to correct some obvious imbalances. The managers are few, unpaid, stressed, and have a high turnover rate. *tips cap to BW

I would like to know a clear path to the corrections, i.e. is there the will to correct these problems?

What I am saying is, we can talk all we want about how the UW rewards was a good idea gone wrong, and how the Aspha bases have far too low an upkeep and need a nerf, and especially how the dig times are unfair to many players, but will any change occur?

Ultimately, since I have a paid account, I am a customer as well as a player. If you were a customer somewhere were there were obvious problems, and the owner was too busy with other things to help out, what would you do?

H HoneyBucket{HH}OP

22/08/2010 · 08:42 AM #49

Oh and I was kidding about the fodders being nerfed as I assumed you were as well, that`s just plain silly.

H HoneyBucket{HH}OP

22/08/2010 · 08:36 AM #48

Fodder are great, I use them in almost every stack that I actually put time into...

and yes EMC the ships should all be different but on some level equal... it is a difficult thing to accomplish and thus we have discussions so that everyone can contribute to help make this happen.

S Sibiriangun

22/08/2010 · 08:33 AM #47

Nice to see someone is actually thinking about the miner bases... it has been brought up so many times that I simply cant understand why the upkeep havent been changed yet.

I dont agree with BW that virals dont abuse maru ships, especially on RT... but to me its not as big a problem as the miner bases.

I hope this time the discussion actually result in something....

@ECM2: if lakkos are the only reason UWs happen then it only need nerfing even more...

E EMC2

22/08/2010 · 08:29 AM #46

HB, fodder is my least favourite ship in this game...yet it has strategic niches, and I think we would lose from the game if we wanted to make every "different" ship the same.

H HoneyBucket{HH}OP

22/08/2010 · 08:25 AM #45

I guess so MD... I have played this game a long time and still have not found a way to research infra more efficiently then just spending the turns as they come my way... by maybe I am missing something.

EMC, yes, I am glad you brought that up, the fodder are way too powerful and should be nerfed a great deal, but we`ll get into that another time o.O
and those poorer empires could have set it off without the fodder, however they could not have without the lakko..

E EMC2

22/08/2010 · 08:16 AM #44

HB, the poorer empires usually are a heavy lakko/fodder mix. Do fodder have to be nerfed too? :P
...and honestly, who likes to wait an eternity for a UW? Come on, I BTCed my fleet so I could do this UW before I go to school.

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