Remove Enslavement Slow/Normal

incase you forgot Infernal... i didn`t start this thread... regardless of the servers, there are still others aren`t happy with enslavement...

and thanks to DarkMaraudian, it does show it`s better to suffer in silence than bring the issue up...

moral of the story even in RL... being vocaled will mark a bulleye on your backside... so ssshhhhhhh...

:)

valja, id say forget the geneva convention or w/e ethical thing youre basing your theory on. this is a *WAR* game. many many people have said that.

why dont you go tell the USA that they cant keep POWs? or tell NKorea and iran that they cant play with nukes cos it aint right. same principles you`re expounding over here right?

the brutal fact that is true and will always hold true is that war is an unfair thing. why dont we add a dose of realism then? doing anything negative towards your master automatically gains you punishment, since thats what would be logically practised, no?

yes you hold your opinion and you happen to be very vocal about it and thats all good. but seriously why are you trying so hard to change a principle foundation of a game? its the same as telling farmville that you cant grow crops a certain way cos they`re not organic or w/e. geez

thanks DarkMaraudian... what else i can say... i can say a lot of things back but i guess i still have some respect to what you`ve done in this game...

i really wish you all the best... :)

rant over * yawns

oh oh oh!! lets remove the attack button for valja and all other economy empires sake because they dont use it and QQ when it gets in there way ( slavery )...

oh wait , wouldnt that result in only those empires playing this game ?

1 player online
VALJA

market empty
all storage capped
( blackmarket added to keep him happy and for him to wipe out each day just for the hell of it )
probably still having the best time of his empires life because nobody is enslaving him.

slave master is at 120million + power...

1. is he reinforcing you in battle ? 120m stacks are worth paying tribute for surely , thats alot of free wins and free counters etc, ide pay a few billion credits for that any day (take into account the slave income cap )

2. if he isnt reinforcing then someone weaker can enslave you and you simply dont make a credit income untill it happens by fighting or something ... you know that awesom reason GC exists (war game people) ?

3. have him smacked down by allies etc then break free and counter him , maybe enslave him and keep him as your pet to ensure he doesnt cause you trouble ever again...

4. if you have the short end of the stick and you arnt getting reinforcements, cant be bothered getting re-enslaved / changing your income & cant get anyone to knock him down...

then it sucks to be you, your gona lose a percentage of your income for being weak. after all this is a war game not an economy game.

slavery is perfectly blooming fine, the issue here is slavery in VM and a small issue it is and easily fixed if stephen paid interest...

and as we all know valja sucks @ this game and plays it wrong, he has a pure economy empire. his goal in life is maxing all forms economy items/goods , completely leeching the markets dry and chasing away our new players etc keeping the game dead ( bravo )

what does he do when he finally gets max... probably VM
1. he doesnt know how to fight nor want too, he would rather QQ when fighting comes across his path and interupts his income ( slavery ).
2. before he hits the caps in everything someone will probably UW, repeating his game destroying method of play.

i fail to see how spending turns all day to increase your income then wiping the market dry of everything till your capped in every possible way for absolutely no reason at all can be even remotely fun... unless you enjoy knowing your one of the main factors in crippling the game so badly..

oh oh oh!! lets remov

hmmm.. the anti enslavement --- VALJA (also known to have abundance of arties)

seems like not much have changed.. lol..

Infernal... i accepted SFGC is just a game... but in RL or to anyone with conscience, enslavement is totally wrong to be practised unless they`re into BDSM... :P

in RL... IF it`s going to be an enslavement, the slaves can stand up against their master when they wanted too... but it`s not possible to attack your master in this game... the only way you can attack your master is thru arties... so there are few things that could be changed in enslavement to be fair to all parties... that`s all i`m fighting for...

i can`t fight the so-called majority for abolishment of enslavement in this game BUT i do have the right to bring the issue up so some changes could happen and make it fair for everyone... my conscience is clear whenever i brought up this issue or participated when it`s related to it...

:)

dont get me wrong. ive never said the enslavement idea is perfect. im just saying theres nothing wrong with enslavement itself
breaking free, now that is an issue in itself. enslavement is NOT an issue.

2 separate agendas, dont cloud and mix

oh... b4 someone is going to say the "protection fee" already implemented by getting paid acc and change to races that can`t be enslaved, let me say that i proposed for players who want to stay as terran or a.miner under paid acc... ok? :P

did you notice that everyone of us in this game have the rights to say our pieces? you have your own idea, some of us want it to stay, some of us want it to be removed, some of us couldn`t be bothered and we can all say what we want BUT at the end, still up to Stephen...

there`s a reason why Ang3l0fDeath brings this issue up even though it`s related to Slow/Normal server...

there`s a reason why i ALWAYS bring up the enslavement issue...

there might be others who brought it up b4 this with their own reasons...

there are still others who might suffer in silence that dare not to bring up this issue...

so what`s so great about having enslavement in this game? apart frm pushing some players away to enjoy such an addicted game... some like me will definately stay for good coz we`ve been around for years and such a pity to let go this addiction...

rather than against the so-called majority, let me propose again some changes to be done to enslavement...

change the 10x rule, enslavement VM abuses, "protection fee" to Stephen and why not giving new empires (regardless new or old players) a 30 days "total protection" frm enslavement attacks...

then again... sigh... Stephen... sigh...

which is why i never voted for the removal of enslavement, notice that?

oh... lately i`m playing FV... why not Stephen becomes the true enslavers? whoever don`t want to be enslaved in the game, he or she should pay "protection fee" for a year worth to avoid enslavement... it will be stated "Protected by the Creator of SFGC" in "Slave empire of"... no tribute will be paid and no one can attack with enslavement option for 1 year... i will go for it... lol...

at least it will create extra income for Stephen... do you hear (or see) this Stephen?

:)

Infernal... why only enslavement must be removed only in Slow/Normal... all standard rules regard to the game are applicable to all servers... either keep enslavement then make some changes OR take it out for good frm SFGC... not only for certain server/s...

IF some rules are applicable to Slow/Normal servers, then why not make it lesser turns to attack and plunder planets or even lower turns to research infras and ships and tech and what-so-ever... it`s longer to wait for turns generation in this 2 servers, you know... :)

DarkJackal... i respect your decision to be a guardian... i`m a paid terran for the past 2 or 3 years... and i`m going to be terran until the SFGC no longer exists... lucky for you, you won`t be bothered anymore when it comes to enslavement... but as for other terrans and a.miners regardless they`re on paid or free acc, we still have to face enslavement`s issues...

VALJA just because im currently guardian doesnt mean ive never played as a.minor or terran. You would be hard pressed to find some1 playing who didnt spend a fair amount of time as 1 or the other before gettin paid.

valja, while your rants are usually entertaining, pls note this is pertaining to Slow/Normal, where NOBODY goes to 120mil pr unless they`re going to UW

i`ve proposed the 10x rule should be changed b4... instead of 10x of the enslaver`s PR, make it an automatic rule when the slaves can reach at a certain PR such as 50 (TBs) / 100 / 150 / 200 250 mill PR, they will be freed immediately...

SFGC can keep the enslavement option for good and at the same time, (though it`s not easy) slaves still got chance to break free by themselves...

but IF nothing is going to be changed... a simple advice to other (future) slaves... keep the max MDs and use it when the time comes... the enslavers can`t build their fleet without money and try to break free while they`re at low PR... historias, minor requiredos and triaciones can come in handy too... :)

DarkJackal... there is a certain degree when your friends and allies can help you to bring the enslavers down... what IF all your terran and miner friends are being enslaved by the same enslavers? what IF all your viral, guardian, marauder friends can go as above than 120 mill PR? and none of them having any retal to the enslavers...

b4 you`re forgetting something, we are discussing about VM abuse by enslavers... they`re above 120 mill PR and in VM... none of our friends can help at all... so how the 10x rule can be valid in this situation when you can afford and able to break free BUT being limited by max PR of this game?

perhaps you haven`t tried to break free to go as high as above than 500 mill PR... you should try first and know for your own self how much time and turns are wasted just to break free... and IF you ever did try b4, i seriously wonder IF you ever enjoy of doing it again for few more times...

funny... why it`s a bad idea to enslavers IF they lose the slaves when VM`s PR is at 1k, IF they can enslave others b4 going into VM, they can do it again and again after out of VM...

another funny thing.... why bother about enslavement when you can`t be enslaved in the first place??!! lol...

this issue is quite serious to terrans and a.miners... since they`re the enslavers and the slaves... i`ve started attacking lately (in TB`s servers) and i can survive without enslaving others... what so great about enslaving others eh? just for the feeling of greatness or that pathetic tribute?

something had to be done with enslavement in this game... keep the option but make some changes to benefit all...

DarkMaraudian you will notice my second post already commented on not being able to send reinforcements while in vm.
As to UberPansy, enslavement is a valid concept and i already gave 2 things to change that would stop Enslave-VM being abused. First when in vm you cant get tribute. Second while in vm u cant send reinforcements. Do those 2 things and problem is solved.
VALJA, it may be impossible to break free from pr alone, in those cases feds/friends come into it, they hit him down until you can break free.
Once again setting people to 1k pr would mean that once they are back, all their slaves are gone, and on slow if they wanted them back that would mean destroying nearly all of their hard earned fleet and even then, with c2s/ possible c3 they would be over the 30% attack limit. This one reason is why freeing them/ setting to 1k PR is a bad idea.

It`s evident that some people haven`t experienced enslavement much. :/