Fuzzy`s UW, Normal

Maybe on the dying turn based servers the overly powerful feds should split into two and fight each other. Just for a little while, and maybe in time others will rise up to challenge and then they can join sides once again to defend against an actual threat.

But for now it is just sad to see a beast taking advantage of the imbalanced force. They are basically kicking the weaklings in the nuts while they are already down. It can`t be too fun for either side. I think that they have already proven that they can set off UW`s with ease, any time they wish. We acknowledge their superiority in skill, activity and teamwork. Now it`s time to focus on getting the servers back to balance, not trying to prove who is better.

Yes we need more players, but until then let`s try to balance what we have. This will make it easier to keep the new players, if we get them. Who is going to start playing a game, realize that there is no point in trying because they can`t win and keep playing. Not very many.

Lol. Glad I don`t have to tell you to learn to read, Feanor. ^^; I read your first post and wondered what drugs you were takin`. ^^;

The game IS failing. And rag has a point. There used to be a massive coalition of players, and there was some seriously good competition on normal. For the longest time, normal was the most competitive server in the game. I`ve been waging a personal war on UTU for years. There was a balance of power then, though it was skewed in favour of the comfortably stagnant UTU. The reason that there are more UWs now is because the power has shifted in favour of an aggressively UWing group.

What else do we have to do? Sit up high and research? Maybe some of you enjoy that, but we don`t. We`re not getting action by sitting there, at least we get SOME action by UWing. And then, when the UW is all said and done, we have something else new to do in building a new empire.

We need more players. This game has improved a lot since it`s original decline, but there`s no fresh blood. As I mentioned elsewhere... 2 days out of DP while exploring on ultra? That`s laughable. And for the server some mentioned as the currently most competitive, fast? The only person to hit me on fast in a week is VALJA, and even then I`ve had some decent exploring-out-of-dp lengths.

It`s a lack of players and a general lack of caring that is hurting this game. Not what is being done in it.

Nice work squaks

guess i`ll be the only one with a hit again

Fuzzy`s fleet
M.Lakko Starbase 5,701 200 5,501
Scorpion Starbase 55 0 55
Chimaera Starbase 140 0 140
Large Strafez Fodder 10,808 0 10,808
Small Strafez Fodder 27,391 0 27,391
T.Fenrir Cruiser 363 0 363
T.Empereur Battleship 88 0 88
Tyr Dreadnought 39 0 39
Strafez King 562 0 562
Hercules Juggernaught 11 0 11

I dont know you Kaiser but its good to know im not the only one thinking this game had been rigged.

heads up guys FAST is next..









mommy we dont want to be labeled as cheaters so we modify the game and make it legal.

To Fuzzy: I re-read your post, I am not sure what point you are making. If you mean to say that we have declined greatly and need advertisement, I totally agree, please ignore my previous post.

Fuzzy: your data set is skewed by the recruitment contest and a dozen other factors. You can`t make your conclusions from that data set. If you are trying to somehow make a case that Ultra and Normal are NOT on the decline, I think the massive (rofl) opposition you are facing right now on your UW ought to be datum number one.

DM: All you have in your repertoire of arguments is the word "whiner". Please hit Deil on msn next time, and ask him to speak for you. I am assuming at this point that you really don`t care, anyway, but he, though misguided, at least seems to care about the viability of the game.

HAL9000: Do you want a game, or not? There is a real balance issue, it is driving players away, and all you can do is taunt frustrated players. I guess you really want to play with yourself.

Dinar: i dont know what race you are, but most races Got ships that dont require mins.

No one, that is, but the shrinking hard core vets who themselves will eventually leave this game once each of them fulfills their UW goals.

"Even though this is my second, I would argue that each UW was executed by a different group of players."

Precisely correct. Ultra did his UW followed by fuzzy, both of which were supported by the disbanded UTU group (tho fuzzy`s UW was allowed reluctantly). Then I did mine and more or less made for a complete reset. Then grantweep did his UW, followed by DM, then fuzzy again.

In short, what happened in this latest series is that UTU disbanded and is no longer an organized group working to to prevent UWs before they happen. This group was perhaps the closest thing to opposition the old school vets had, and for a little while they were on top. But then Ching left, GK went inactive due to real life, and Attractor disappeared from the game on all servers. Those 3 along with Bobby and Ondante were the core force against the old school Vets who dominate the other turn-based servers, and they were supported by myself and collosus Eprussia, schaijik and many others as well.

And tho they might not admit it, there WAS a time this group forced the power players of the Old Vets Club to VM.

Now they are mostly gone, and no one is there to replace that power vacuum.

PP.

I have BTC`s. Am I suppose to burn 20 BTCs just to get enough minerals to attack with 1 BTC?

That makes no sense.

yea i agree with you fuzzy is that we lack the player base on normal and ads would help i think to rebuild that but it would be nice if things were scaled down a bit on the slower servers due to the lack of players

I thought of a reasonably objective way to measure the recruiting of players. I clicked on the top 20 empires in rank on normal server, and collected their "Playing since" date and their Empire ID. I excluded DarckKnight (you can ask him the story if you`re interested), and I included 2 newer players I found.
Basically I looked at how many empires were created per day in these time spans. The peak was between March and November 2004, when over 400 empires were created per day. In the last 3 months, that number has dropped to under 50. When I graphed this it looked like a reciprocal power function, since late 2004 or early 2005. I wasn`t around back then but I wonder if that`s approximately the timeframe during which advertising for GC stopped...I wonder if anyone can confirm this.


FYI, the data I collected (you can paste in excel to make graphs):

December-06-03 39303
March-11-04 67177
October-22-04 157683
November-03-04 162899
November-09-04 165461
January-09-05 188903
January-11-06 278038
February-03-06 283674
February-07-06 284660
April-01-06 297777
April-10-06 299943
April-26-06 303211
June-11-06 313472
September-04-07 403619
October-08-07 408357
April-25-08 432214
December-29-08 452985
January-11-09 453845
July-02-09 465715
December-29-09 474767
05-Mar-10 477860

And the data for recruits per day, using the midpoints of the two times:
January-23-04 290.4
July-01-04 402.2
October-28-04 434.7
November-06-04 427.0
December-09-04 384.3
July-11-05 242.9
January-22-06 245.0
February-05-06 246.5
March-05-06 247.5
April-05-06 240.7
April-18-06 204.3
May-19-06 223.1
January-22-07 200.3
September-21-07 139.4
January-16-08 119.3
August-27-08 83.8
January-04-09 66.2
April-07-09 69.0
September-30-09 50.3
January-31-10 46.9

From the discussion I`ve seen, I think that the "problem" here needs to be clarified. Just because UWs are succeeding does not mean that they are too easy - perhaps you should try one if that`s what you think...or perhaps you shouldn`t if you think that UWs are happening too frequently.

Just to provide a bit more of a context here, there were 3 UWs in the last year prior to this current series. Even though this is my second, I would argue that each UW was executed by a different group of players. In that regard I see Normal as one of the more active servers, although there has clearly been a decline in server membership. In my opinion THIS is the BIGGEST issue here. While UWs may arguably be involved, it`s important to note that this has been a part of a larger trend that has existed throughout my two years playing here. My thoughts on fixing this are better recruiting (if Stephen is willing to make the investment to advertise) and better retention of recruited players (by reaching out to new players and supporting them).

You say we are whiners, and I say you are a coward for resorting to labels over arguments. So we get no where, yup this is the GC forum.

What HAL said. You are truly big whiners, getting refund based on what reason? That there are better empires than yours? Rofl...

mommy the bigger guys at school is taking my lunch money

How many have we had recently? I`m losing track at this point. Oh well. At this point, with the same people all helping each other and such, it`s not impressive. It`s a little tiring though, and the market has been destroyed. Hopefully when they are done, Normal can get back to normal.

if enough people ask for a refund of paids on slow,normal, and ultra that should get stephens attention to this problem

Seriously, Augustine, it`s not what they did ON slow and ultra, it`s what they did TO slow & ultra and normal is trashed

tis is ridiculous, i have a paid and i really think i am going to ask for a refund, what a waste of a piad

seriously too i love the "training fed" that all the vets and admins suddenly joined so they could trash anothe server, this game is rigged