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Enslavement, enough already...

Started by VALJA · 12/09/2009 · 12:36 AM · 101 replies · 1 read
V VALJAOP
OP 12/09/2009 · 12:36 AM
let it be a statement on why enslavement`s 10x rule is no longer applicable nowadays...

at the moment... 12:18 AM 12 Sep 2009...

DarkRavenTNM`s PR is at 10,628,029... i need to break free at least above 106,280,290 PR...

45 Scorpions only will give 3,323,370 additional PR every 6 mins... so how long i need to waste my time to declare independant?

by the time i can reach 100 mill PR... at what PR DarkRavenTNM is eh?

anyway... now at 12:24 AM 12 Sep 2009

DarkRavenTNM`s PR is at 11,366,046... i guess i need to go above 112,000,000 PR now...

i`m going to send email to Stephen a copy of this thread regardless he`s doing something or not to show how i feel the enslavement issue as a PAID member of SFGC...

IF anyone`s thinking he won`t answer, the last time i mentioned about enslavement to him, he replied he might looking into it... perhaps it`s time to remind again...

at 12:34 AM 12 Sep 2009

DarkRavenTNM`s PR is at 13,026,546... oh boy, i need to be above 130,265,460 of PR to break free...

still think 10x rule is still applicable eh?
V VALJAOP
16/09/2009 · 02:50 PM
Deiloche... good enough you admit you can see the point i`ve raised... what i can do, i make a "noise" so everyone can see it too... and i admit too... it`s all up to Stephen.... regardless he`s going to do something about it or not, at least someone has to initiate something....

i can copy and paste what Stephen has replied on the last email i`ve sent on May but i`ll keep it for now coz i respect Stephen for who he is... even though i know the chance is slim but i tried to send the 2nd time... who knows, i might still send the 3rd, 4th, 5th in the future? at least i`m trying... no harm in trying rite? :)

when it comes high or low in broken things to be taken care in SFGC... think about it... to attract new blood into this game, what they care in the first place? do they care about the ships updates? some of them will take weeks or months (heck... me for years... lol) to learn each ship`s capabilities... but once they`re being enslaved and feel frustrated, they might just quit without care what`s the next ship`s update will be...

ships update is good to maintain present players... but how long to keep present players without attracting new ones? so maybe we have to change the priority of the update accordingly and without any prejudice...

i don`t have any G but i still do care very much about this game`s progress too... :)
D Deiloche
16/09/2009 · 02:29 PM
See, you don`t understand.

I agree with you. Almost completely (except on the topic that enslavement should be removed.) It`s horribly broken. But it`s one of many things that is broken in this game. The only things we can "fix" are those that are small scale tweaks. Changing enslavement changes the game itself. If you can get Stephen to do an actual update to the game, I wish you the best of luck. I seriously doubt it.

But please stop complaining on the public forum about that which we have no control over. We know it`s broken. It`s very, very low on the priority list of things that are broken that need fixing. High on yours, perhaps, but low in reality.
V VALJAOP
16/09/2009 · 12:58 PM
and please... IF others who might understand the plight... please propose and suggest what do you all think for enslavement`s changes IF it`s here to stay... as long they`re within the capability and envelope of SFGC...
V VALJAOP
16/09/2009 · 12:56 PM
and as for suggestions to counter the points...

make it a limit where it`s automatically will release the very determine slaves... i would suggest 50 mill OR 100 mill OR 200 mill OR even 1 bill PR... this limit must take into consideration for all type of players... new and old empires...

give alternative for slaves to rebel back the enslavers... once they`re higher PR than their master, they can attack back or use enslavement attack to the master to break free... IF they won, they can declare their independence... i might not use this option but it will benefit others who like to fight...

when slaves in +ve income, the masters will get tribute but when slaves are in -ve income, nothing affect the masters... to be fair, the masters would be dragged down to with the -ve income in their tribute... at least the master can keep the tab which slaves to keep and which slaves to lose...

there might be more... but finally... make it a willing and able "enslavement" just for the sake of having tribute and reinforcement...

i`ve compiled these suggestion that might be frm others so i`m not going to claim it to myself... i just hope we all understand what are the points after all... regardless of pointless... lol...

instead just whine and cry, i proposed along the way... :)
V VALJAOP
16/09/2009 · 12:46 PM
Deiloche... i doubt you`ve read everything i`ve writting so far...

"10x rule" is no longer applicable when someone is above 120 million PR... practically it`s impossible for anyone to break free coz of the PR`s limit...

3 hours OR even 9 hours just trying to break free BUT at the end is still being enslaved it`s not something fun for another party who`s trying to follow the rule... apart frm cheating by asking others to enslave and release...

some new players might not have the same patience the thought of being enslaved will force them to leave...

anymore i should add? perhaps it`s pointless coz the prejudice is already there... i hope others who can see it will understand better than the blinds...

and as for Stephen... i did email him on May and he did reply... but knowing him through this game, i`ve said somewhere in the thread, to see something changes won`t see the light of the day at the end... i will still have the same feeling for the 2nd email i`ve sent few days ago... but who knows... at least i`m trying...

:)
V VALJAOP
16/09/2009 · 12:39 PM
DarkRavenTNM... all the best with your new empire... :)

as a long term player, i`ve stated earlier, it`s not going to big prob for me to break free frm enslavement BUT it does take the fun and enjoyment out of the game when i had to spend 3 hours or more trying to break free but at the end, i`m still enslaved coz my enslaver can just climb slowly and i still had to overcome the 10x of his/hers PR...

but how about the new players? i share the same sentiment as DankMasterSkorp for this reason...

and another point i`m trying to raise... IF an enslaver is above 120 million PR, how the heck for enslavers can try to break free when the PR limit is only 1.2 billion... of course by staying that high, the enslaver might not do anything since it`s expensive to use turns... but that does not stop players to stay higher than 100 million PR without doing anything at all for days or even weeks or even months for whatever reason/s it might be... lol...

and for the 2nd points, i share the same sentiment with FlashyDomain...

seriously, others who are with races that can`t be enslaved, in VMs, under NP and stay at high PR would never feel much the annoyance of enslavement everytime they`re out of DP...

IF enslavement is here to stay, i just hope one day, one fine day... at least something must be done with the "10x rule" to be fair to all... regardless to the new and old players so they won`t be taken the fun out of this addicted game...

i can still do the juicy planets event but i feel sad for new players or others that don`t have the same capability as mine... so that`s why i`m trying to bring the enslavement issue to all as generally it affects to some of us regardless new or old players...

i hope i`ve raised and suggested enough for improvement towards enslavement rather than just whine and cry compared to others who can only say it`s just a wargame and deal with it without ever consider the feeling of others towards this SFGC...

cheers... :)
D DankMasterSkorp
16/09/2009 · 12:31 PM
Deiloche then in regards to this on what level can you effect a change so he knows how to respond to you? Because from what I see he was saying he would email Stephen who (hypothetically) would be able to change anything in the game.
D Deiloche
16/09/2009 · 12:22 PM
No, VALJA, you`re not. You`re just complaining. Trying would be attempting to contribute to the changes we CAN make. You`re not doing that.
D DarkRavenTNM
16/09/2009 · 12:07 PM
VALJA sorry for enslaving you again, i restarted as viral thats how you got free from me again, personally i was planning to enslave you over a month, punish you everyday, i was even going to Dinero you instead, i had about 10 before i restarted lol.

Well good luck getting ur point across as for the fedmate thing deli was talking about, he was talking about support from UR fed mates, which you have none to support & help you get away from a slave master so ya Deli should of looked & checked ur fed first before saying anything.
V VALJAOP
16/09/2009 · 11:28 AM
Deiloche... even how hopeless it might be... at least i`m trying...........

:)
F FlashysDomain
16/09/2009 · 08:22 AM
I see the efficacy of the 10X`s rule. I also se the issue with trying to escape enslavement by having to build so high when enslaved by a vet. I`d like the rules to change to allow building out of enslavement (10X`s rule) and look at it as "escaping".
In RL though, one does not willingly allow folks to boss `em around if they have the power to stop it...so allow one to battle out of enslavement. Call it "rebellion". Such wouldn`t be easy. They would have to catch the Master when out of DP AND build up to win the battle.
Yeah...I would like to see a change, a change allowing another means of freedom.
D Deiloche
16/09/2009 · 06:15 AM
I don`t disagree that enslavement is broken. IT WON`T CHANGE THOUGH AND VALJA KNOWS THIS. So stop whining. :P
D DankMasterSkorp
16/09/2009 · 05:57 AM
In risk of angering people I actually like I have to side with VALJA. Some type of change is needed with the enslavement mechanics. I don`t know if it actually matters about the 10x rule but when a newbie gets enslaved and cant figure out how to get free without restarting they tend to quit. Also if we are honest with ourselves the resources for figuring out how to play for newbies are really really bad. Maybe keeping the attacks to Normal unless the target`s PR level is over a certain level.

I thought awhile ago you all were interested in actually trying to get more people to play. Personally I`d like to see more players online and more mature ones in the forums as opposed to trolls. Ya know, actually sharing your opinion/argument and why or why not it works instead of "Cry Baby" type responses...

Travvivian: what I don`t understand is how you justify claiming to have no time for a game because of RL this and RL that but you still manage to troll the forum? just saying...
V VALJAOP
15/09/2009 · 06:51 PM
anyway... targeting me is easier coz so far i`m the one who dares to weather all the backlashes... by doing so on me, hopefully others who have same idea like me will think twice on fighting the enslavement....

congrats... somehow you all manage to suppress the opposition... lol...

again, let`s me reinstate my point... change the "10x rule" coz regardless it`s a wargame, the element of fun is where it will attract others to play on... it should be 2-way street of fun... not only one side... :)
V VALJAOP
15/09/2009 · 06:42 PM
lmao... i didn`t say anyone`s my fedmate... perhaps you should look around who are your fedmates in this thread... :)

Deiloche... i`ve stated countless of times.... "10x rule" is no longer applicable nowadays... there should be a limit... what`s the point of trying to break free for hours and still being enslaved... then it`s better not to have the option at all... perhaps you all prefer that way, once enslaved it`s forever until the masters free by their own accord... easier rite? i can`t even complain it anymore... :)
K Kyril
15/09/2009 · 03:30 PM
*gotta switch race and join da fun..*
D Deiloche
15/09/2009 · 02:50 PM
The point of enslavement isn`t to be able to easily escape... the point is to be able to keep people. It`s quite expensive to keep a person enslaved, really. Yeah, it`s annoying and it can be tough to break free. But this is GC, not disney world and not UC. UC is for easy. GC is not. If you want easy, don`t bother playing GC.
T Travvivian
15/09/2009 · 02:15 PM
Why do I oppose the suggestion as someone in VM, except for an account that is un-enslavable? Because it has always been a part of the gameplay (AFAIR), and as both a Slaver- And the occasional Slave. I`m of the opinion that it makes for a fun twist of battle, and economics. (And in the past, in game politics.)

Why do I target you for a rude comment? I do it to everyone that I believe to be wasting time possibly spent actually solving their issue, instead of making a scene out of something everyone has dealt with, and survived.

Simple.



"a good fedmate will cover another fedmate...

...birds with same feather flock together... somehow it shows... :)"


We are Fedmates...? Since when and where? O_o
V VALJAOP
14/09/2009 · 11:35 PM
just for a fresh summary update on enslavement... it seems it`s fun to enslave VALJA... lol...

yesterday, DarkRavenTNM enslaved me again but somehow he released me b4 i login later that time...

today, it`s Fodderman but somehow he`s stagnat at 1 mill PR, so i managed to break free at 10 mill PR... perhaps he was trying to prove his point of the fun part of enslavement on me... :)

so perhaps i`ll be enslaved again with new enslaver.... come on peeps... place your bets who`s going to be the next enslaver of VALJA tomorrow... lol...

btw... whoever couldn`t be bothered with this such whining and crying thread... please, pretty please and i`m begging you to stay off frm this thread... okie?

cheers... :)
V VALJAOP
14/09/2009 · 03:56 PM
anyway, now i`m truly wondering why some of us bothered so much for suggestions that might not affect them somehow... either they`re playing races that can`t be enslaved or in VMs that won`t affect them gamestyle daily, they just have to against it just for the sake of against it?

why must oppose the suggestion that might not even see the light of the day at the end? everyone`s entitled for their own opinion/s and that includes me... IF others can suggest other things, i don`t see the problem why i can`t do the same thing...

and of course... i really wonder... IF it does not affect them directly, why bother to read and even post it in here... you all can just be don`t bothered and cared for this whining, crying, etc. thread... but for the "couldn`t be bothered" in SFGC, you all had too bother and care somehow eh...

:)
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