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can no one see my point?
Chimaera was 45-50k build rate now it`s 21k
thanks
kelti

G sapphire is a paid ship...it had also that as a reason to get mods.

still waiting for an actual admin to respond to current discussions

Interesting discussion...keep in mind that sapphire did get its BR doubled, and no reduction in stats.

Since terran is a defence race, I don`t think increasing the power of SBs makes sense...but I do think that something needs to be done with the BR of the ship.

perhaps double T.empereur BR, so that it matches that of arag?

Kelti.. What I am telling you, is that if you make the BR much bigger on a ship (100% inscrease is a lot), then you need to lower some other stats. Quite simple.

A 100% increase of BR means the ships gets double as much dmg/turn and hull/turn, which are very important parameters. I means there is a reasone shy Borrs or pikes dont build 50k/turn just because arag and lyth does!

terran have to build 4 chimaera currently to keep up with scorpion build rate

i`m not the one saying anything about changing the hull or weapons i just want a build rate increase to 2
PP stop talking about changing the ship it`s fine just the build rate needs to be fixed

ok.. if you also want the range and weapons increased, besides the BR, then i think the hull should be dropped to about 22k.

ya ok PP reduce the hull and increase range and weapons then

If you want to double the buildrate of the chimera the hull should be reduced to 32k imo.

if you arn`t happy with lakko remember everyone cast their vote on what lakko was going to be.
in my case i am not comparing weapons/hull/range or anything of that kind.
i am pointing out that lakko did not get a reduction in PR/turn as chimaera did

I don`t agree with the design behind the lakko as it doesn`t fit the parameters of an a miner star base. But lakko can be used as a great flanking tool in stacks 7-10. Its short range and hull mods make it a horrible mid stack choice but the no retal ability and weapons make it a better tool of choice over chimera. Being a base it can help throw off an enemy who is rebuilding to retaliate as it throws off your stacking order.

And sometimes its better to match up shield mods than just range. For example as sibi mentioned. If someone is pure chimera, and a guard has a ten stack with k.class up front and 9 stacks of no retal ships and hit on aggressive its bye bye chimera from way less pr. And yeah prob going to be wiped. But heir are lots of ships from all playable races that k.class can do that to.

Sibiriangun yes Ruby is the solution to beat M.Lakko from 200% below power, for every 1 ship anyone can spam there is normally 1 ship from your race you can spam too to win.

K.class has major advantages over most ships & hold up well vs energy/kinetic base attack weapons, which chimera has so, chimera does very badly vs K.class. Leading K.class vs chimera is like comparing leading Fodder vs Lyth/Tyr/L.class/P.class, it does very little damage.

A.miner are richer, and our ships are high in upkeep. And A.miner are more of a defensive race, especially vs guard, and suppose to be vs collective too. Also i thought you know A.miner have a harder time killing Terran starbases than guard does. While A.miner starbases hold up better vs Guard ships. Each race has a set of natural strengths & weaknesses that others lack & is hard for some races to beat and easy for others.

Im not really sure I understand your argument there...

If you know someone is spamming lakko you can build ruby and kill them from 200% below. That almost fit their relative buildrate. Spamming chimera a guard can build whatever fleet just leading K class and will still win (might not wipe, but how does that even matter as they build in dp?).

And lakko can be spammed with hoko giving a dual spam that is hard to hit as the huge range difference makes the attack stance important. Chimera can be spammed with scorp which is basically a fast building fodder and loses to everything but fez.

And as miners are far richer than terran I really cant see a reason that chimera shouldnt build faster. Raise the upkeep if you like, but I also find its buildrate horrible. Especially compared to lakko!

Chimaera is effective, and cheaper than M.Lakko

And guard got great ships. and Ruby from 200% under power can wipe out M.Lakko, K.class cant wipe out Chimaera from under power. No retal isnt as effective vs all attacking ships. SD is the guy who is good with testing multi-ships with pros & cons...

I see freelancer is giving misleading advice again :S

lol are you seriously comparing chimera to lakko???

Lakko building at 50k a turn with actual weapons and no retal. Range 5 instead of 3 is a minor issue as only a few often used ships lie in that range anyhow. And guards can completely neutralize chimera with K class.

If you honestly think chimera is even remotely comparable to lakko in usefulness then you should hand in your G again :P

keltikelti if you want chimaera`s build rate increased, expect it to be nerfed with higher upkeep & decreased hull or horrible modifiers. ATM your Chimaera compared to the Lakko is way better, so please stop the complaining.

Chimaera Stats :
Attack Range 5
Hull to Power Ratio = 210% or (HULL 45,000 / Power 21,393)
Upkeep to Power Ratio = 47% or (Upkeep 10,054 / Power 21,393)
Only ship weakness is -30% to energy Shields

M.Lakko Stats :
Attack Range 3
Hull to Power Ratio = 149% or (HULL 36,500 / Power 24,444)
Upkeep to Power Ratio = 85% or (Upkeep 20,666 / Power 24,444)
Has 1 major weakness of -95% Ionized Hull & -60%Absorption Shield

Just from that little bit of info above, Chimaera is a superior starbase in every way except it builds slower.
M.Lakko only has 3 slight advantages in battle: no retal, its 50k build rate, and its weapon ratio is equal to its power ratio so it returns a more than decent amount of damage, but its got more than enough negative range/modifiers to offset the positive sides. While the Chimaera is built like a beast with hull/modifiers, sorta reminds me of the G.Lictor except better way more Hull. If anything Chimaera starbase doesn`t need any upgrade, and if you did upgrade you better expect to see a reduction in Hull/shield modifiers.

Things must be balanced. So if you want to double the buildrate of the chimeara then you probably need to decrease its quality.

how about fixing terran starbase build rate.. chimaera was a 50k power build rate ship now it was cut in half to 22k whats up with that no other ships i`ve seen have had their power/turn build rate changed that drastically.
i vote that chimaera be a 2 build rate the same as lakko..