Updates and stuff part 2

Yoshi, have burned through many millions with livid-containing fleets at high pr (not the usual 1-10 million range I tend to stick to)... then I started building them last when planning to climb high.
wonder if the same logic would help with lyth? don`t really like them as they dont give me enough bang for my buck (oh wait.. I made your point haha)

if you all disagree about the upkeep, give us cheaper ships! I may raise the pr range I hunt in to celebrate :)


Squaks, seconded.

yep yoshi you would know about how costly lyth spamming is :)

even to a rich aminer livid and lyth are insane upkeep.
Low pr for a mineral miner is cheap as hell
Start spamming it and your cash will go down very fast!

bases are uber cheap....stop being some big ego bastard lol...

DarkRaven.. you make a point about the starbases.. but too expensive?? Lyth and Livid are cheap for any decent aspha miner... and any viral for that matter.

I`m not againist any of the changes.

A.miner starbases are to cheap
Lyth & G.Livid have always been to expensive except to a rich empire.

p.s. a.miner is a great race. you change my miners, i change your face!

I am strongly against all of these changes.

Mind you, cheaper lyth would be nice, but they can still be RE`d, then viral have yet another cheap, super spam ship.

livid upkeep reduction is pointless.. they aren`t that expensive any way (I would know lol)

bases are meant to be a fast, cheap way of getting out of enslavement right? make more expensive = make less important.
(mind you, I use them in stacks occasionally)

I don`t think that the livid`s lack of use has anything to do with its upkeep. But I strongly agree with the increased Lakko and Hoko upkeeps.

Yeah for the livid and lyth.
Boo Hoo for the starbases, leave us poor miners alone

Like all except maybe lowering of Lyth. As others have said it is spammed a lot.
The Hoko and Lakko rule, I don`t care what anyone says.

quackpack M Lyth not powerfull!?!? WTH DUDE! CMON! have you ever used them!?!? Im one or the biggest fan of the m.lyth on rt even on tb if i could use them i would xD M Lyth is super good best miner ship in my opinion. The upkeep is insane i agree on the drop

Both sbs i love it, personnally as a tax miner, i can base to 600mil without thinking about cash.

Livid is a awesome ship, not used alot cause of his upkeep and some people dont know his real use...

I think that the last updates have turned the miners and their SB too powerfull , so its a good thing to rise their upkeep , as there are lots of them spamming pure SB .
don`t think its a good idea to lower the upkeep of the Lyth , its good as it is , because no harm for miners but a bit hard for Virals, and its for those ones that I vote a clear NO change for the Lyth

I think Livid should stay the same and hoko should stay the same.

People should realize Livid is a great ship by seeing its high upkeep. In fact a 5k increase would be great.

Hokos low upkeep should reflect how much that Sb sucks (it does) especially in comparison to lakko.

What about Kyros upkeep, now that should be changed

OMFG they are finally going to do something with the upkeep for the extrememly expensive ships to build & the extremely cheap starbases.

boooo @ hoko upkeep

those changes look good to me.

I only got experience with miners at RT, and I know this may be a differet story at TB server. For the lyth at livid. The upkeep could be 60k and it would still be a very usefull ship. The main reason why I use the livid less, is because of the extreme resist and low pure kinetic dmg, combined with not so good buildrate. You may fail horrible with it. Miners have a lot of income very easy, so I don`t think this change will affect miners a lot, unless when spamming lyth to several hundred million PR. The only reason why i like the change is because this will make the ship much more useful by virals, who has got a lot of good ships upkeep nerfed recently.

As for the starbases. They are clearly too cheap right now.

Like it.

A.miner`s build rate is low enough,I would rather want nothing to be changed than lowering its build rate further.

Lyth is not powerful,its only useful if stacked properly

lyth doesn`t need to be any more powerful, i`d say raise lyth pr and boost weapon and hull a bit and make its br be 1