Whats the most Challenging????

DM who cares about very good, u can stack them now, and with some limited knowlege u can prob figure out to use a nuetral ship on top, because people like to spam missile.

Ha! I disagree with you, PP. More than half of guard ships are below average. Very good are:
1)tourm
2)topaz
3)emmy
4)ruby
li corun garnet are also good, but not VERY good. The rest are just stuffing

Building aguard empire is probably most challenging. Not because it is hard, but because you have be lucky finding some high loyalty planets. If you build it with a c2, and some U.larges you can explore for planets, so base PR is not an issue.. Once you got the empire it seems like one of the more easy empires to keep, as all the ships are very good, and have very high buildrates... High buildrates is probably one of the best things you can have at turnbased servers.. Guardians are probably harder at RT as build rate don`t matter that much at that server.

So to make a long story short. Guardian is not a very challenging race to fight with at turnbased servers because of the high buildrates.

THEY ARE ALL TOO EASY!!!

tax terran. guard. collective.

Id have to agree with the statement that the most challengeing race is what ever race you are playing and how you play them.

Yea if you follow what everyone tells you to do. Its easy to play any Race. But if you go out there and do something tottaly different from the norm then any race can be challenging weather it be on a trun based server or on RT. Just because you get more truns dosent mean that it still dosent take you a long time to get what you want.

So i say The most challengein race to play is your race and how you choose to play it.

Simple as a general rule Guardian is the hardest race. imagine setting up a Guardian on Slow server it would take several years probably more just to set up your empire and do the ship research not to mention that the only real way of making money is to have so much population that your base power goes so high that its practically imposible to win a fight at almost any power.

All this talk about maru and collective being the hardest is the biggest pile of bull ive ever heard.
Collective whinging about the plunder values, have you checked the race mods and special abilities recently yes they only get half the plunder of a marauder but everyone seems to ignore the fact that they get double the max population allowed which brings them equal to maruaders!!!! yes theres a slight disadvantage of no U classes but having good ships and capture ability negates all that if you ask me.
The other thing that makes marauder and collective easy is that when you get bored of Spacefed for what ever reason you can take a little time out by plundering and sitting in Newbie protection and not needing to worry about anything if you were a guardian on slow youd have to go in VM and make sure you time your comeback otherwise your dead meat... either that or plunder the colonies that took you 2-3 years to explore/aquire.

Simply put if you only play RT your missing out on most of the game dynamics such as having to budget for things and not overstretching as you dont get unlimited turns to recoup losses whilst in DP on turnbased servers.
So simply put if you want a challanging game play on slow where you get 80 turns per DP how you gonna make back all that money you spent going to 1trillion power???? Ill tell you how, you never got to 1 triillion power on slow as saving that much money is near impossible on these turn based servers

Pie ?

also i try targeting base power people

as a collictive i have a stragey one day fight at high power the next use a lot of turns an and fight at low power win some planets and probly make a decent fleet and wait till someone hits me and counter

tax terran is a challange in this economy pull that off

any race can become difficult, it all depends on how you set it up, sure collectives and Maru both have very good and highly effective ships....but how good are those ships if you play the race as a plunder maru or collective? you have to be a lot more careful with what you build how you spend it and managing your fleet / battles more economically.

by which i mean before you engage in battle you have to assess whether or not the pay off will be worth the cost and losses, sure you may win three, at a price of 60% of your fleet which cost X amount in minerals/credits...and you may only get small land planets which won`t give much in return for your fleets, they may pay for a few stacks...and this is in a perfect world where you don`t have to take into account plausible attacks to yourself before being able to plunder.

Guardians can also be made more difficult by trying to be an agri guard. Miners can choose something other than tax minerals or cg`s. Viral can choose something other than Agri Comm or tax and well terrans income wise have the most versatile choices but one could go Cg terran.

also to make any race more challenging all anyone has to do is hoard planets, not only does it make exploration races to where they can`t explore you also set yourself up to be hunted by those who collect trophies.

Play style also has a lot to do with how challenging something is, you can be passive, you can be aggressive you can choose to hoard, you can choose to gordo a smaller type planet you can ally yourself with people, you can hate everyone, you can do so openly or publicly to entice people to hit you or not

and theoretically virals could become the most challenging race, by picking a less efficient econ type, and picking ships that are sub par, ships that would take real talent to turn into a stack.

challenge depends on the players mind set and how adventurous they are. no one really has any reason to quit out of boredom, if it`s to easy, make it harde

Miners are good to fight with at low pr if you can predict the opponent`s fleet...most will be spamming lol
I just hope they better lictor, then is one more ship to play up high...
I`d say miners are easy after you get experience on battling, and you make trillions of cash :p

Colls, on the other hand, are very hard. I`ve been before and is dam hard to get good planets, and build rates suck. You need to be extremely good on battling...and counters are deadly

Maru`s biggest issue is with resources, however collective have bigger resource problems (weaker plundering, higher upkeeps, no U. Fertiles, mineral costs).

Fighting A. Miners still get the shaft, they have improved if you are paid, but even then they are still lacking, since they were balanced around their starbases...which two of them are the worst in the game, and one of them is only slightly better than average.

but coll have the galleon and brig atm and those aren`t the easiest to beat, so i guess coll are easier at low pr and maru at higher pr due to faster build rates

well vrial is easy, coll is challenging....

I think viral is the most challenging race ;p

marauder easier than collective imo only cause they have fast build rate (pyth angel tresher) and they have D class and shark that are pretty fast...coll have...snow and uh..well yah.

Maru`s ridiculously easy and OP race if you know what you`re doing. If I ever happen to restart on RT I`d go Maru there as well. Even with half their shiplist marus can still annihilate anything if you`re any good at it. Starbases are overrated by a LOT. If you ever need a starbase as a Maru,that`d mean something`s VERY wrong with you :p Got zero experience with colls though,so can`t say anything about em.

lllooooollll miners are not bad fighters. they used to be b4 the update but now they have some very good ships that can hold their own against the other races