Marauder/viral upkeep changes

OP 15/07/2009 · 09:41 AM #1

To encourage more stacking and yatta yatta, make people stack more/use other ships...Blaah blaah. i present to you plausible changes to ship upkeeps

rant now or forever hold your peace, and remember it could be worse ^^

Changes courtesy of: EphemeralEternity, BrokenSwordS, Deiloche, Raistilin...and Stephen for always being so loving and supporting ^^

Ship - old upkeep - new upkeep -pr`s

Thresher 2,023 - 2,271 - 11,956
Pyth - 750 - 4,280 - 22,527
D.Angel - 1,065 - 4,641 - 23,206
D.Hammerhead - 570 - 632 - 3,612
D.Bullhead - 660 - 1,140 - 6,336
Pike - 410 - 382 - 1,276
Barracuda - 432 - 522 - 2,272
Shark - 345 - 307 - 2,052
Tiger - 468 - 448 - 1,496
Eel - 22 - 10 - 71
Manta - 30 - 13 - 86
Ray - 37 - 12 - 82
Piranha - 165 - 56 - 379
Sting - 272 - 241 - 1,611

V.Borrelly - 180 - 271 - 452
V.Chiron - 7,500 - 9,241 (if left alone) 12,937 (if the ship is reworked) - 18,482
V.Cronus *le-sigh* perfection, can it be more sweet?

brought to you by the Better Ship Building Bureau of colony E.6111 (BSBB)

Edited by BrokenSwordS on 2009-07-15

C collective1

18/07/2009 · 09:09 AM #18

lolol if agri marus make killing then we must be murdering everyone with basicly the same upkkep ratios
go collectives! we got good ships good income good upkeeps

D Deiloche

16/07/2009 · 09:21 PM #17

If you`re a plunder marauder, hopefully the increase in capability will go through for you. As for agri marauders, they already make a killing.

D Deathroe

16/07/2009 · 10:46 AM #16

Thanks Deiloche - hahahaha
actually I am a Marauder on Fast so I`ve got me thinkin cap on too ;)

D Deiloche

16/07/2009 · 08:07 AM #15

A commerce viral complaining about a ship with less than 20% upkeep? Complaint denied.

C collective1

16/07/2009 · 07:58 AM #14

i feel sorry for da agri marus
maybe d class should be switched up a bit?

D Deathroe

16/07/2009 · 03:26 AM #13

Now that I have had some time to digest; I think upkeep changes seem fair (considering that much more experienced players collaborated on it, lol) My only concern is that the increase to the PYTH upkeep is very significant (spoken as a commercial Viral).

I would also like to second what slavyzz wrote - and this appears to be talked about and addressed in other places. Thanks for your time!!

D Deiloche

15/07/2009 · 11:37 AM #12

Also, small ships are being addressed in yet another thread... which will not be posted in a while because we haven`t rebalanced them yet. The smaller ships here are given small upkeeps so that they don`t hurt brand new players as much to build.

D Deiloche

15/07/2009 · 11:36 AM #11

The upkeep on the angel and pyth are now similar to the rest of the ships of the race. In other races some of the highest upkeep ships are the fastest building ships, so theoretically we should have increased the pyth and angel even more.

S Slavyzz

15/07/2009 · 11:34 AM #10

I think the upkeep changes on the pyth and the angel are too significant. To encourage stacking smaller ships why not work on the build rates instead? (I will wait for more people to comment before I say anything further)

P PistolPete

15/07/2009 · 10:36 AM #9

The problem by removing commercial as an source of income for virals is that you have to be a tax viral then. This may work at RT, but at TB i think the very high base PR you get is a problem. Either you have to make only 3 C3s, so that you can explore and that is pretty n00bish IMO, or you can make a c4 and start collecting more clusters. This will give you a very high base PR compared to the amount of turns you got available for building a fleet.

You will be able to sit higher with that high income you get - but on the other hand if you are fighting and getting wiped on a regular base, you will have to use most of your daily turns building cap spams, to get high enough to neutralize your high base PR.

Keep posts on topic please, this concern will be addressed in another thread

Edited by BrokenSwordS on 2009-07-15

D Deiloche

15/07/2009 · 10:30 AM #8

That will not happen. Commerce is a bad income stream. The other incomes will make more, on average, than commerce, but you WILL be dependent upon the market. I`m not saying more here.

P PistolPete

15/07/2009 · 10:16 AM #7

Or maybe move your infra and planets to another race, when virals are killed?

D Deiloche

15/07/2009 · 10:12 AM #6

The modifier to commerce will NOT be increased for virals. There is a lot of discussion about possible income modifications, but these will include a reduction in commercial if they occur, NOT an increase. Commerce should not be a valid income for any race beyond Terrans, as the n00b race should have the n00b income. If something like this happens, the ability to change your infra will be provided.

As of right now, we cannot remove the cost for virals to build ships of other races, though we are going to fix it for virals.

P PistolPete

15/07/2009 · 10:08 AM #5

Angel and pyth upkeeps are way too low compared to PR. The other mara ships i dont really have an opinion on..

I think the new upkeeps are good, if the -20% modifier to commercial income is made 0%. Another thing i think should be done to improve stacking is removal of the extra cost virals pay for building their RE cap ships.

D Deathroe

15/07/2009 · 10:07 AM #4

Last time I looked - there is less than a handfull (3 maybe 4) of serious Marauders,
I know cause I am having one helluve a time re-engineering two more of their ships.

My point: why mess with an entire class when no one is playing it ??

signed, Virals Vorever

E EphemeralEternityOP

15/07/2009 · 09:47 AM #3

ding ding ding ding (Thread creator option: This is the answer)

R raven

15/07/2009 · 09:45 AM #2

so higher upkeep to big ships so smaller ships are more used?

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