Guardian Update Discussion

D DeilocheOP

OP 15/07/2009 · 08:25 AM #1

Constructive criticism ONLY. If you don`t like something, say why. If you do like something, please also say why. Useless posts are unacceptable.

Changes courtesy of: EphemeralEternity, BrokenSwordS, Deiloche, Raistilin

G.Fluorite
E: 8,000 > 30,000
K: 8,000 > 0
Hull: 180,000 > 180,000
R: 6 > 4
Scanner: 4,200 > 500
Upkeep: 9,000 > 7,500
PR: 73,827 > 69,768
BR: 1 > 1
ES: 99 > 40
KS: -30 > -60
MS: -20 > 20
CS: -20 > 25

Tourmaline
K: 8,000 > 1,500
Hull: 15,000 > 18,000
R: 4 > 4
No Retal > No Retal
Scanner: 250 > 1,400
Upkeep: 720 > 700
PR: 6,510 > 6,510
BR: 4 > 5
ES: -50 > 25
KS: 50 > -60
MS: -40 > 50
CS: 40 > -20

G.Amethyst
E: 4,000 > 15,000
K: 4,000 > 0
Hull: 40,000 > 24,000
R: 4 > 6
Scanner: 3,500 > 1,800
Upkeep: 2,100 > 2,030
PR: 21,132 > 18,018
BR: 3 > 2
ES: 99 > 0
KS: -20 > 50
MS: -20 > -65
CS: -20 > -0

L.Topaz
M: 29,500 > 16,000
Hull: 25,000 > 100,000
R: 8 > 7
No Retal > No Retal
No Defense > No Defense
Scanner: 3,400 > 2,700
Upkeep: 4,536 > 5,091
PR: 47,511 > 49,081
BR: 1 > 1
ES: -45 > 35
KS: 10 > -20
MS: 90 > 95
CS: -55 > -45

L.Garnet
M: 16,000 > 8,000
Hull: 40,000 > 20,000
R: 7 > 8
No Retal > No Retal
No Defense > No Defense
Scanner: 5,000 > 2,050
Upkeep: 3,600 > 1,834
PR: 35,728 > 16,303
BR: 2 > 3
ES: -20 > 0
KS: -10 > -15
MS: 50 > 25
CS: -10 > 10

Edited by BrokenSwordS on 2009-07-16

P PistolPete

07/10/2009 · 03:19 AM #97

I guess it is to late to do anything about these changes. Only question that remains, is how long we will keep bothering ourself to keep playing this game. How much fun is it that the only way to fight for the ranks is to sit and dig day and night to feed the friendly guards with BTCs.

A Africa

06/10/2009 · 06:15 PM #96

Is anyone left who can change the fluorite?

Anyone? Or is whining about it completely useless?

A Africa

30/09/2009 · 01:42 PM #95

prolly difficult now that maru is gone :/

K Knossos

30/09/2009 · 08:57 AM #94

The above must be a bit outdated. The current Fluorite defensive modifiers are the following:

Defense Modifier
Energy Shield + 30 %
Absorption Shield - 50 %
ECM + 15 %
Ionized Hull + 15 %

I wouldn`t say they are impossible to kill, but they aren`t easy to kill by any means. Definitely worth taking a look at and coming up with some other alternatives.

V Vendeen

30/09/2009 · 05:11 AM #93

I would have to agree, since corun`s hull was nerfed, nerf Flourite`s hull to <100,000. The weapon is too high compared to what it used to be, even if it is all one type, it`s still too much weapon/hull for the pr.

M MastaKilla

30/09/2009 · 01:51 AM #92

Just to revive an old thread and hope topic is not forgotten. Fluorite is being spammed even more than Corundum was before the updates. The hull is simply to large at least on the turnbased servers, fluorite spams are impossible to kill.

Also Tourmaline nerf is awaited with great interest.

P PistolPete

22/09/2009 · 05:31 AM #91

I agree. Flourite is one of the guardian ships that needs to be reworked seriously.

All these very high buildrate, very high hull and extreme resist ships is not a problem at RT, but at turnbased it is killing everything. Result is that guardian can turn everything upside down everytime they want, and in the end this game is all about knowing most guardian empires.

A Archaeoptyrex

22/09/2009 · 01:58 AM #90

I agree with africa -- it`s rather hard to kill fluorite ...

How about halve (or 2/5) it`s build rate? then it`s not quite so spamspamspam (although still quite a bit)

A Africa

22/09/2009 · 12:48 AM #89

Hmm, have the Fluorite proven itself too spammable yet or do we need a another month two to realise it?

Nerf damage or hull, otherwise theres no reason to build anything other than Fluorites all day long. (and by nerf I mean by a great deal.) Why change corr just to make a much better one out of the fluorite.

Q quackpack

16/08/2009 · 01:58 PM #88

Oh nice,Livid finally get to have some use..I hope :P

M Maraudian

14/08/2009 · 09:15 AM #87

havent done the tourm , the suggestion kills it completely o.O

A ArchAng3l

14/08/2009 · 08:36 AM #86

it will be better to give tom a little more weapon.. now it weapon is too little to do much...

A Archaeoptyrex

14/08/2009 · 12:10 AM #85

i think this new amethyst looks very tasty ...

looks good to kill those annoying chirons/hokos in UWs

although guards look like they can`t touch lakkos -- tourm attack gone down + ruby no-def

still nice new ships

M Maraudian

13/08/2009 · 10:07 PM #84

G class kinda added with certain alterations in shields

M Maraudian

13/08/2009 · 09:47 PM #83

L Class changes done.

B BadwolfsPet

05/08/2009 · 08:42 AM #82

wow am i only one noticing tourmaline getting a HUGE weapon reduction?

C ChaosReborn

05/08/2009 · 02:58 AM #81

G Amethyst don`t you think decreasing shield from 99 to 0 is a bit extreme considering the fact that you`ve cut its hull as well i think a reduction to 50 is more reasonable since as we all know guardians are supposed to have good energy shield being the whole reason why they were all turned to energy beings

S Squaks

27/07/2009 · 04:30 AM #80

when can we expect these changes to be made?

K Karnage

23/07/2009 · 09:29 AM #79

there arent that many energy ships that build fast enough to be a threat to guards either, but like i said i was just throwing it out there.

S Slavyzz

23/07/2009 · 08:25 AM #78

maybe the reason no one uses energy ships is because of the mods...

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