figured it could use a new thread.
Maraudian
Game-Admin
25hour(s) ago well at the moment i think the guardian are fine , however there is one more thing ide like to throw into the race
large increase in ship cost`s ( Minerals / price )
large cut in upkeep
( this will make building / fighting more expensive and sitting at x pr cheaper )
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MastaKilla
3hour(s) ago I agree with Deil
Tourm is too powerful and Topaz/Emmy are too much alike.
And I like Maras suggestion too. That might get guards on the TB servers to stack more.
Deiloche
Game-Guide
10hour(s) ago Changes left that need to be made:
Tourm rebalanced
Amethyst, Fluorite rebalanced
Topaz fixed into a hull ship rather than being an emmy clone with less range
Runnerman
19hour(s) ago this just means new guardians will have to strip-mine for an extra day or 2 b4 they can fight. however for established gaurds that seems fine
Maraudians new Guard Idea
Started by EphemeralEternity
· 26/06/2009 · 09:58 PM
· 31 replies
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Deiloche
Well lets put it this way. If the upkeep got halved, I would be able to sit at 70 mill PR stacked on normal making money instead of just 35 mill PR. Sure, I have 102 infra and a lot of land, some of which is loyaltied, but that is ludicrous.
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Reborn
that ideal sounds good. I`m not Guardian, but I know a lot of Guardian like to camp up high, so this would really help them I would imagine. What do you guards think?
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Deiloche
Agreed, I`m against the upkeep/cost change.
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Omegian
Hmm, Im all for rebalancing the ships.
Im against the upkeep thing because that would just make guardians overpowerd pr wise as compared to others when you look at the economical breakup.
Lets say you nerf the upkeep 25%, that would outweigh the mineral cost needs even if you increased it 3x, they would have alot more money to play with and minerals to buy, which is great ... but that would mean they would be the new viral because of their low upkeep and good ships ... minus the capturing.
Im against the upkeep thing because that would just make guardians overpowerd pr wise as compared to others when you look at the economical breakup.
Lets say you nerf the upkeep 25%, that would outweigh the mineral cost needs even if you increased it 3x, they would have alot more money to play with and minerals to buy, which is great ... but that would mean they would be the new viral because of their low upkeep and good ships ... minus the capturing.
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Knossos
I wouldn`t be so much opposed to re-balancing the tourm/topaz/amethyxt/fluorite.
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Knossos
I don`t really like the idea. Guard upkeep is low already as you stated, a large cut in an already low upkeep would be small in comparison to a LARGE mineral/cost increase. Would make things more difficult to new guards also.
one of the few things i`ve never heard a guard complain about is their upkeep though, sure i could see a reason to cut their upkeep if you wanted to make their ships cost/mineral cost like that of a miner.
Many established guards can stack to 30 mil pr or more and still make money. and if any guards want to make income at X pr they can already do like most other races and build Fez type ships...i know the mineral cost can kill a guard but at w/e pr they climb to they can usually make that back in no time.
I also see where guards having such a high base pr gets in the way aswell. but they`re not the only race, alot of virals and miners also have base pr`s comparable to that a guardian, and if neither race can explore for borders the guardian has the advantage already in the speed at which it can get a stack up at a reasonable pr compared to its base pr. I`ve not documented it myself but i imagine a guardian is capable of getting 10 balanced stacks up at least 3 times as fast as other race.
In the past the qualities of these stacks were shameful due to the lack of variety in guard ships but with recent updates and possibly continued updates there stacking capabilities can be broadened.
i would also be very interested to see the amount of these increases and decreases for guardians before i choose to support or reject these changes.
Many established guards can stack to 30 mil pr or more and still make money. and if any guards want to make income at X pr they can already do like most other races and build Fez type ships...i know the mineral cost can kill a guard but at w/e pr they climb to they can usually make that back in no time.
I also see where guards having such a high base pr gets in the way aswell. but they`re not the only race, alot of virals and miners also have base pr`s comparable to that a guardian, and if neither race can explore for borders the guardian has the advantage already in the speed at which it can get a stack up at a reasonable pr compared to its base pr. I`ve not documented it myself but i imagine a guardian is capable of getting 10 balanced stacks up at least 3 times as fast as other race.
In the past the qualities of these stacks were shameful due to the lack of variety in guard ships but with recent updates and possibly continued updates there stacking capabilities can be broadened.
i would also be very interested to see the amount of these increases and decreases for guardians before i choose to support or reject these changes.
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I like this idea Maraudian has a lot. If balanced right this could indeed be just want Guard needs.
he hasn`t presented numbers yet, but he did say large...so probably on the scale of half
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Omegian
how large of an upkeep cut? I might have to voice against that.
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