Suggestion about VM

I was wondering for someone to say it...

questrians what you`re basically saying is if you can`t get borders with the number of turns you get you need to vm so you can get more turns. The whole point of the game is that is you get wiped from a counter you`ve got to make careful choices spending your turns before dp expires. People who mess up should lose their clusters, not vm. I think the game would be a lot more exiting with a bigger exchange of clusters. And it wouldn`t mean fewer nonexplore empires, or fewer planets. It would just mean that the clusters would go to the empires who could keep them. I don`t play ulttra but I remember you from rt and I`m sure you`re one of the ones who could keep them.

Anyway I think the point of this thread was more about high pr dominaton like donster said. Plenty of good ideas to stop the abuse, but no one to implement them :-(

nothing is going to change since the GM`s have alot more to attend to then the turns from someone rebuilding

i have never built into the top 5 to make double pr hits using the vm method you speak of. i know many who have though. if thats the path they choose then thats there choise if they want to spend months in vm just to make that pr.
my point is a large empire with a high base pr has no chanse to win at a llower pr forcing that empire to go to higher ranks needing more turns. altering the vm option or taking it away will eliminate any of that , if you have anything more than 100 planets exploration is not a option and with no turns to build from your vm what will you do lose the cluster or plunder it.
changing this rule amounts to penalising any who can not explore.
who knows maby i will leave this server or game, many would cheer, there has been a grosse decline in game play in the last few years and server #s show it.. keep altering things that do not have anything wrong with it and see where it takes the game :(

Both may be problems, but they affect different players. The person building from 5k is no threat to someone above 10m. The jest of this thread, if I read it right, is to remove the case where someone is at a high PR (probably in DP), they build, go into VM for 7 days and then before their VM ends, they do the same thing again and again, etc. Eventually, they are at a high enough PR where they can hit their intended target that is sitting in the top five. I think you know this.

If not being able to do this drives someone away, then so be it, provided there is a reasonable solution that accounts for the true purpose of VM - you can`t play because of work, life, whatever. My solution, which returns the empire to the state it was in when VM started, accounts for this. It would now be the user`s choice on how to use turns - use them before VM or save them for when VM ends.

how is building going vm and building again any diff from the empire that hides in newbie protec makes hits then hides again? you never catch them for a counter.
to change this option will mean the death of many big empires in slow servers or maby we should all just have 1 good large or c2 any never worry about boarders rather than trying to make a good cluster c3?
you can never defend with no ships and no turns after say you get wiped in a counter attack, whats more is i dont have 1-3 feds supporting what i do, i generaly get hit very fast
a change to this option will = my exadus from ultra for sure, oh well it would not be the 1st time i shi_t canned a top empire and quit a server over a silly rule change or bug concern that was not addressed
Bobbysindustrialpat.. how does the empire get twice the turns when they are inactive for a week or more? they get the max turns for that server and thats all when they return 2 play, normal or slow server you would not even get max turns generated in 1 day free build of vm.
is it better to come back from vm look at your empire and see that it will take 2-30 mins to get 1 turn pending on the server and any 1 could attack you. for any empire that can not explore doing away with vm turn regeneration = death at least to a point where you can explore & attack others
bah bleeding hearts.. my heart pumps purple piss... when you got addacted to this game vm was like this why change it now

@quest - it`s abused in two ways. First, if a group control the ranks then another group just builds/vms for a couple of weeks without any chance of reply, or a member of the same group gets out of hitting distance. Second, some empires survive by build/vm/build/attack/get hit/build/vm etc and essentially get twice the ships they would from a server where turns regen too slow reach the turn cap between periods of vm

makes me laugh, some of the biggest abusers of this feature are the 1s complaining for change. any change will affect the larger empire that can not explore. building ships or reserch then vm gets rid of any counters owed or to give = clean slate... a long absence from the game for whatever reason is still no game play and upon your return it is nice to have 24 hours to get your empire together b4 you have to make attacks or defend.. if its not broken dont fix it. or does it really bother you that some empire gets 100-150 free turns to build in a slow server after they have not played in a long time?

Maraudian can`t change this I`m 100% sure.

Both suggestions are good, maybe Donster`s is more practical.

yea, either way would work donster and the limits are most likely the programing. Im actually afraid that this bit is one of the parts that maraudian does not have access to.

Like Africa, not totally innocent, but I can still support the idea.

I think the way to handle it is to preserve the number of turns that the person had when they went into VM. If you use all of your turns (doesn`t matter if it is research or building), then you have zero when VM ends. If your max`d when you go into VM, then your max`d when it ends.

Basically, your empire is returned to the exact state it was in when VM started. The only exception would be VMs under seven days - I`d leave them the way they are now.

I like Africa`s suggestion as well, but I think it would cost more to implement.

Archy: you really think anybody on Fast is building up for a UW by VM-ing? lol

Take Africa`s idea but don`t say you cant build ships, just say you cant use turns.

might need steph as everything does.. haiz..

but if the one thats really been (ab)using would be the one where someone hits on u 2 or 3 days straight and b4 u could give them their rightly so deserved counter, they change race..

That is a good idea Africa. You`re a genius lol!

Thats a good idea Africa, it will stop the empires that use vm to rise in pr, but will not affect the legit users of vm.

ok, so how about this, (acknowlegding that I just (ab)used the vm thing to a certain degree.)

When in vm for more than 7 days, you do actually get the turns when your vm runs out. However, if you build ships, be that bases or whatever, you wont be able to reenter vm for 24 h, same as what would happen if you had attacked someone.

That way, you can leave for a vacation, do rl stuff, or simply take a break and not be @ screwed when you come back. On the other hand, you cant vm build without opposing forces get a chance to take you out.

No offense meant, but there are a lot of people from a certain fed complaining here. I agree it would be nice to get rid if the possibility to get turns when VMing, but I hope the same people don`t forget that their fed does/has done the same thing.

i`ve played for a long time now, and this is one of the few things that actually bugs me

VM abuse isn`t in any way a positive feature ...