D.Class Ships

Empire ID 453400
Empire Name Crack
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Race Terran
Planets 2
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Power Rating 2,569
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Playing since 03 January 2009
Empire age 52 day(s)

I take this is you?

You really want to bring up this empire on SLOW and use this as an argument as too why virals shouldnt have d.angel??? My empire is more than a 1000 days there and even with angels I dont go much higher than 3-4 mill. Its no f````` wonder you cant reach when your empire is that new.

Crack, we`re done debating this, and I honestly hope people making the decisions ind the end does not listen to anything youve put forth so far..


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unless they spam bulls and pyth with vborre, of course i can`t reach their pr.. coz i stack.. rarely spam.. coz its a newb thing to do.. :)

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pls...you dont even have the ships researched yet to make a decent stack.

africa.. fyi.. i`m playing rt AND SLOW.. both being unpaid race and i don`t find it difficult against viral.. more of a challenge.. if u wanna evidence pm me and i`ll send u the proof.. unless they spam bulls and pyth with vborre, of course i can`t reach their pr.. coz i stack.. rarely spam.. coz its a newb thing to do.. :)

I think that if the Virals will not be able to reverse Dark Maru ships then it would be logical to make D class irreversable. The same thing has already been done for A. Miner`s with the G class ships. It should also be carried further to making it so Collective`s cannot capture D class ships just to stick with previous standards. I`m assuming Collective wont be able to capture Dark Maru ships either? Anyway thats how I see it.

As i see it there is an inherent problem with the viral race, since they are given ships from 3 different races with different econemies, without the tools to balance either the expensive nor the cheap ships to viral.

Why don`t we try to balance virals by giving them 3 more decent ships of their own, and only let them RE 2 ships from each race and make D.angel uncapturable.

The upkeep of these three ships shall lie somewhere in between the upkeep of marauders and the upkeep of terran and miner ships.

TWU, the arguments you put forth still only apply to RT.

You cant explore with a c4 on turnbased. Digging is very important on turnbased and since you dont have unlimited turns, the artifacts per turns IS important.

crack, youre also only looking at rt.

One thing I would like to note, however, is that I often find virals the hardest race to attack (well guards as well lately) because they are difficult to predict. They are NOT easy because they are angel,pyt,borr spamming. Come and play on fast and you will see that crack. most virals are stacked and NONE are only angel spamming. Its a rt problem as far as I can tell.

I admit tho that I dont know about normal/ultra anymore.

easy.. don`t be a viral.. isn`t the whole changing is to make the game more balanced as twu earlier stated in whichever post.. currently there`s too much viral around around.. more than marauder.. being active that is.. or maybe i should say more than marauder plus guardian around.. heck i was a viral when it 1st came out..

Ahh.. forgot. they can`t use U.planets either. Another large disadvantage..

I don`t agree on you that 64 lands should be very good. You need much more planets than 64, or put gordoes on it for years, if you want a decent income as a viral. Terrans can just stick to 2 c2s, and some U.planets, and they can still explore.

I`m not saying that virals should not be changed. I agree on that. Just dont think this is a good solution. I think virals are nerfed too much at the turnbased servers, if nothing else is changed. The race is not balanced, just punished.. I`ve only discussed the economic part - another part would be that the Angel is a pretty good DMG/turn ship that virals loose.

not that ruby and tourms are going to be the ultimate game winners anymore... right? can`t wait til they get their slight nerfs :P

pistolpete......

1) they already pyth borr spam......
well more angel borr spam but same principle...
2) 64 planet cluster is like the best thing ever >.< u can sit there with a spaz and a c.4 and be able to explore borders..... u can then just gordo up the c4 and still be able to explore borders where as with terrens once u have 3 c2s (75 planets) exploring becomes very hard.

3) i agree viral income is quite low it just appears high cos quite alot of the existing virals have lots and lots of land making them appear like they have have big incomes but per infra level per turn per unit land virals make one of the lowest incomes, i think only guards make lower than comm virals.
4) i really dnt consider harder excavation dig that much of a restriction.. yes in the long run they dnt make as many artis as other races but artis dnt dominate this game...(yes i no they play a key part but the difference in dig between races really doesn`t make a race op)


by getting rid of d class from viral it makes them much less able to spam into high prs on +$$ making gaining high pr an actual feat which costs money.... it also narrows the viral ship list meaning builds become more predictable soo yes they can spam pyth but it would be obvious to enemies that they are spamming pyth and can take appropriate counter measures

other benefits is that it gives maru an edge, there would be a clear reason/advantage of being maru,(eg the good d class ships that viral dnt have).
It also indirectly buffs guards, as there are now no cheap angel spams running around to take out there ruby and torms.

- Well.. the amount of artifacts per turn spend doesn`t seem that impressive - at least not compared to a terran. If you need to spend a lot more turns to make a BTC it just isn`t that favourable to do.

- Clustersize for a viral is 64 planets, which is small compared to 125 planets. Makes it a lot harder to get an empire with many planets, since you need borders. The reason why i think 12 clusters isn`t a lot for a viral, if you think of it as how many planets you can hold on to.

Still my point is. Since marauder ships are very cheap and the terran and miner ships are very expensive compared to the income of a viral, wont this not just lead to a lot of pyth/borr spams at RT.

I know plenty of virals who have masses of artis, they make a fair bit of money (and by fair, i mean alot), i only see the "expensive ship" problem on slow server maybe... for empires under two weeks old. Small clusters? no. Not many cluster slots? you`re out of your mind. They have the second MOST cluster slots in the game, tied with miners.

Come on pete...

I still don`t think removing D.class is a good idea. As stated virals wil have 2 less spam ships.. Hmm.. As i see it virals will have fewer ships that they can afford to buy. How is it that this will not lead to even more spamming?

It is true they are not hard enough to play, but is this the solution? And still.. They are hard to dig artifacts with, earns little money, have to pay a bunch of money for most of their ships, got small clusters, and not too many cluster slots..

It seems as if we are solving problems at RT server, and xing virals at the rest of the servers up.

skorp

no they will not ...
i already tried with the d maru tests :P

If D. Class is left reversible will the virals be able to reverse D. Maru ships once they r up?

make uncapturable is my vote

Exactly how is this going to be decided? Are afew selected people going to decide on the D class problem, or is it going to go to a vote? Also, what is the time scale for this change?

really?? so nice of them..

i believe

i may be completly wrong..... but i believe the admins said they wipe every1s ship list then u will pm them telling them what ships u want and they will give u 5 of each of those ships... if u were to disband them or go outa dp into a fight without RE`in them then its ure fault... at least i think thats what they said

If D.angel is taken away from virals how does it work then. Do the virals who already reverse engineered them loose them. I think i saw a guy with G.livid at fast - not completely sure.

If you loose them: Do you get the chance to redo some of your other choices which is most likely based on the fact that you were calculating on being able to use the the D.angel. For example Virals who RE the Nirv instead of Tyrs, may find themselves really xed against Guardians, if they loose Angels. Just a principal concern - and wondered how this is handled.

mara where did terren come from :S