D.Class Ships

You state that the rich list means nothing. I wonder why you think so..

by looking at the statistics, which i would call a very objective approach, it was apparent that there were few virals at the rich list.. What is even more interesting is that the few virals on average got more than twice as many planets than any other race, even though their clustersize makes it difficult to hold many planets. This more than indicates that virals have a hard time making a decent income. I don`t understand why it means nothing?

You state the initial reason why virals are labeled hard is that they do not make much money - this is exactly the case...

It is true that Virals benefit from the marauder ships that are adjusted to marauder. But then again, they have to pay huge amount of money for the terran and miner ships, which is far from adjusted to virals!

Once again i have to say.. we are turning the wrong buttons in order to adjust virals. The proper way would be to adjust all upkeeps of the viral ships! Second best would be to let virals RE less ships and give them some ships of their own.

just wana state from the start rich list means nothing...

second donster admins said i believe (hope i hvnt got this wrong) they will give viral empires 5 of each ship they want to RE ... so there wnt be any single borr spams for old empires trying to regain ships....


as apossed to the loss of angel.... they can re lyth, tyr,flych, herc...all of which are decent against gaurd caps... yes alot more expensive...

the initial reason virals were labeled as hard was because they cant make mega $$ of the bat...

plus they still have pyth a very cheap upkeep shipp...

PistolPete mentioned it earlier, but I think it is worth reiterating. People make choices on what to reverse engineer by looking at the entire ship set available to them. His point about someone choosing the Nirvana and not the Tyr because they decided to RE the Angel is dead on. This change invalidates that decision making process. I have both the Angel and Tyr so I`m not in that boat, but how many empires would it affect?

The other thing to consider is that virals with large planet counts may find it very difficult to RE a new marauder ship. These virals play at a higher PR (>2m?) and there are not many marauders at or above that PR - heck there aren`t many marauders in the game period. The same is not true if virals need to replace the Lictor.

V.class is very nice. But still its only borr you can attack with. Can`t make much of a stacked fleet with that.. Especially since it is very turn expensive (As all other good small ships).

It is true that virals have a huge arsenal. But when you need pay much more for the ships to build them, and you have to pay the upkeep balanced to terran and miner races, it just ain`t that useful, unless you got a very developed empire.. As stated from the statistics below, virals needs to be much more developed to enter the rich list. The virals needs twice as many planets to enter the richlist - probably the reason why there are not many. The max size of a viral cluster is 64 planets, which doesnt make this easier. They can`t use U.planets (Also a setback to the economic foundation of virals).

Virals needs some ships with a decent buildrate that they can afford. Else they wont be able to lift their PR above 3-4 mil unless the empires is very old. Angel is the best dmg per turn ship virals got, and they works well against guards, that tends to be unbeatable. Loosing it will be a major setback at turnbased servers. RT will probably not suffer as much since they don`t need to consider how their turns is spend very much.

Despite income though, generally speaking you`ll find a great number of high planet virals in the upper ranks. Plus, they have a devastating V class to add to just about any arsenal of their choosing. Would taking away the D.Class really be that much of a setback to virals and their current hold on the ranks?

somehow managed to copy my first post into my second :/

A bit more statistics:

Among the richest empires listed underneath, the average planet count of each race is:

Still.. Taking away D.angel, would make pyth the only affordable ship with a decent build rate at turnbased. And ya.. I think they are too cheap, but then again terran and miner ships are much too expensive.

Quick count at the rich list of all the turnbased servers:

miners 148
terrans 157,9
virals 357,3
collective 46.8
marauders 95.5
guardian 64

This tells me that to be at the list you need a very developed empire if you are a viral. Its not easy to build a very strong empire in a short amount of time as a viral.

Still.. Taking away D.angel, would make pyth the only affordable ship with a decent build rate at turnbased. And ya.. I think they are too cheap, but then again terran and miner ships are much too expensive.

Quick count at the rich list of all the turnbased servers:

33 miners
32 terrans
7 virals
5 collective
2 marauders
1 guardian

And still the virals have to pay the upkeep of ships balanced to the economy of terrans and miners.. Well actually they have to pay three times more for each ship.

This would definitely make marauders a much more popular race; like the G and K classes for guardians. For a "hard" race, Virals already have it pretty easy.

honestly if u guys plan to make d class uncapturable can u at least add something to un re ships so we could make adjustments??????

Once I got too drunk to remember my empire(well not once but oh well...) and it died too :P Have lost admirable amount of clusters that way too haha, I just make new ones :P

actually by resorting to these types of arguments, i`ve been trying harder to remember.. yea..
and my mood really is erratic.. its gonna be much more since i`m trying to stop consuming d***..

lol dm.. i only called someone newb only when a minority who happens to be vets or virals complain about certain thingy when they`re supposed to know better.. (whine?) :)
and yeah my stats not that gr8 but considering i`m playing from work (army camp) although most of the time my work takes me to the jungle for eg today 13hrs there.. the past 2 days, 8hrs each.. my stats will do for now.. :P of course i know stats are not much nowadays considering that alot are hiding behind 5k pr.. (i`m not) so what happens when i have last minute exercises (between 3 to 7days) and have no time to login to prepare a defence or be on vm.. my empire getting attacked and lost and at one point died out as a collective within a month as one (i think) :(

thus the need to be terran( my only experience with terran was my 1st day) at gc..

move on to the topic i guess..
i take back my words..
dclass shouldn`t be made uncapturable since we can really predict that viral (especially rt??) would rev eng thus they won`t be so inconsistent with their stacks.. though of course i feel maru should have a class of their own.. not so sure.. 2minds about it.. discuss and decide it people.. just try to not to whine and i won`t be flaming.. lol..

cheers..

* nods in agreement :)

Lol, crack, chill out dude. You are decent stacker, I don`t know how long you have played but your stats for your PR range aren`t that great either :P. And africa has those stats on RT mainly because he used to be inactive for what, 2 years? 3? Maybe more? He used to explore borders and stay at base everyday. But seriously, bandits, sidewinder etc also have negative stats... They are newbies too? Stats mean nothing compared to effectivenes, and that`s what africa is - effective. And if saving him 7.5 hours of not plundering borders just waiting to be hit while exploring on slow gives him the turn advantage, he will do it. And btw, he used to have 2 mil base PR on RT, he just recently plundered. He used to be guard on fast too, with some immense base PR too. So what you are saying is complete nonesense.

Africa, everyone has opinion, you should respect that, even the players playing at 50k - 2mil PR mainly(that`s me on RT now too! *slaps).

But I have to agree TB and RT differ a lot. And btw RT generates much more cash, that`s beyond argument.

3 turns only if within a certain sector or so.. the rest as per normal 5..

actually virals on tb are supposed to be how they are.. hard.. as for rt.. well.. i can`t say much since i was viral on rt when it 1st came out.. not the 1st viral but the 1st few.. i did rev eng tiger and pike and another ship.. not every viral had the same ships like how it is now.. and if i`m not wrong it was 6 stacks with 3 turns to hit if i`m not worng.. (not sure if i remember correctly though)

sorry for the flaming.. just that i`m currently suffering withdrawal symptons due to doing my own rehab from a certain thing which is bad stuff..

lol.. and i don`t even call new players newb.. its kind of like a dirty word.. where one thinks he`s up there on a pedestal and looking down on others.. when they themselves were once a new player too.. i only call them newbie when they whine.. not sure how the admins and guides could handle these whining.. as for stephen i think he`s tired of everytime hearing the whines and bullsht thus he`s not here.. he used to do back then but rarely.. now i think its zilch.. uc gives him the perfect excuse for him not to be here i think..

sorry i have a bit of headache remembering.. i`ll just research away for this moment..

skorp might have got it there.. by paying for tb, might as well add a few more cents and there u have it, paid race for rt.. since rt is the most active.. and that one who work or can spend time with the computers will be more able to use the turns effectively.. without having to wait for more turns..

virals are an interesting race among all the races.. especially when it 1st came out.. it had 3 different ships.. a scout to explore, a starbase to defend with and an attack ship.. the last 2 ships was able to capture ships.. to be able to rev eng 3 ships from terran miner and maru with the following description
"The Viral 106 species, as its name implies is a virus-like species, which survive solely on new hosts or victims, namely other races. Caused by the outbreak of a mysterious virus that erupted on the outer territories of the Terrans, it quickly assimilated technology into itself through a mysterious process still debated by various scientists all over the galaxy. Furthermore, the species can only multiply when there is a sufficient and steady income of hosts."

it was rushed out and so was collective thus both didn`t had missions but at that point of time, the powers up above, mentioned that the missions would soon came.. not sure why maru don`t have mission.. maybe was intended, maybe not.. everyone realised that virals will use what little ships they have with mainly the 3 ships from 3 races.. and of course a bit of neutrals here and there.. it was feasible even until now thus the growing of viral population as a whole.. every other races seems to be waning though..

don`t compare terrans though as terrans are the base race and some of us couldn`t bother to change race after the amount of time and effort spend in building their terran empire..

i`m drawing this from the little memory that had came to me bit by bit so plz correct me if i`m wrong here..

Could the lack of Virals compared to Unpaid races be a sign that the people on tb are less likely to donate?

I have to agree on this TWU. Crack if you want to keep discussing who is a n00b and who is not make another thread, and I will answer you there, though i am not sure it will lead anywhere.

And ya.. I think virals should have less ships to RE. I like the idea of RE ships from other races, which is probably the reason for the name Viral. But since RE ships can not be balanced the obvious solution will be to give viral some more ships of their own and let them RE fewer ships.

I think its pretty obviuos that viral at turnbased will have less affordable ships to build if you take away angels. Not only are they cheap but it offers some very nice stats per turn! You will get a crab ship that is not really usable instead.

Take a look at the rich list at every turnbased server. For some reason it is dominated by miners and terrans. I see very few virals, and those who are there are very developed empires... Still virals must pay the upkeep of terran ans miner ships, and pay a lot more to build the ships than miners or terrans.

And btw. i`m not saying that we shall delete RT server. I`m just telling how my arguments would be if i argued as the ones who believe we must delete virals as a race.

why do these threads always resort to flaiming >.<

cnt we keep this to a simple do u think should be able or unable to capture d class.... and ure reasons for ure opinion....?