Guardian

guardian are permitted to break buildrate rules ^^

half there ships already do , it should be similar with a range 9 ^_^

because no range 9 ship should have a build rate greater than 20-26k ... its simply unbalanced and too powerful.... no rant about how gaurds need to build fast will ever make a 40k pr a turn range 9 ship balenced ... especially one with such an incredibly high ecm mod.....

from what i`ve heard the new range 8 emerald is ment to be rather decent and usefull..
if u want emerald to be range 9 it has to be 26k pr or below....

i don`t understand this balancing, please, return the range 9 to emerald and put No retaliation on long range ships or better remove forever the `agressive` option on guardians attacks

Corun dies horribly against caps(unless it is herc)... Give it no retal.

i vote leave tourm its only range 4 so veryhting hits it 1st

as a comment, guards don`t need too much more --

although the ruby`s been nerfed quite a bit, guards have essentially 2 more good ships which is a big improvement.

any further changes should not be too major *unless* you take away our tourmaline too

that topaz looks very strong ... that`s a lot of defensive power vs missile

no retal corun.... signed

I also agree w/ no retal on corundum.

20k-25k pr for emmy will be kinda slow for guard.. at least make the emmy have slightly higher buildrate than ruby...

maybe even have a 18k-20k emmy with buildrate of 2 per turn..

yea no retal on corun would help cause right now they get rocked pretty easy

topaz looks sweet with "no retal"

As for Emmy... evern a bigger fall down to in PR?

More damage, more range but lower PR?
Sorry BW your confusing me?

What`s wrong with this
L.Emerald
M Dmg 29,500

Hull 25,000
Range 9
Scanner 3,400
PR 42,236
Upkeep 4,536
BR 1

Ship Specials
No defense
No retaliation

E Shield -45%
A Shield 10%
ECM 90%
I Hull -55%


This seems like a good ship to me!
as you suggested the very first time

right so i had more then 5 minutes to work something out so maybe this would be more to everyones liking... as for emmy if you want 9 range pr drop to 20-25k pr and more missile damage

L.Topaz
M Dmg 30,000

Hull 40,000
Range 8
Scanner 5,000
PR 58,536
Upkeep 6,600
BR 1

Ship Specials
No retaliation

E Shield +20%
A Shield -15%
ECM +80%
I Hull -50%

Edited by 420BadWolf on 2009-04-28

yes add no retal to corun

no retal is pending on corun , your the only person talking about it though

destroyer / cruiser can be editted in the blink of an eye to anything

I agree with Arch, on Gorun.

And increase the Range & firepower on Emerald since it`s a destroyer
And lower the Firepower on Topaz but increase Hull since it`s a Cruiser

either remove the non-defense on corun or add in a non-retal... now it does not work well..

as far as i can see, the new emerald more than makes up for the decrease in ruby ability --

the new rubies die a lot it seems, but the emmy holds up against those nasty missiles :)

I still think the corun should get no-retal though

time to edit the battle sim too, hard work for GreenYedi