Guardian

personally if you all like it i think 8 range would be too powerful 7 range would make it a nice flanker/defense ship but do let me know what your all think

just a quick design i made and tested a bit...

L.Topaz
M Dmg 40,000

Hull 50,000
Range 8 or 7 if we make topaz 7 range we can make garnet 8 range something to keep in mind
Scanner 2,500
PR 58,536
Upkeep 6,600
BR 1

Ship Specials
No retaliation

E Shield +30%
A Shield -35%
ECM +50%
I Hull -50%

Drop the missile shield a bit if you increase the weapon. Maybe 5% less. 5% doesn`t look too much but being that high makes big difference(higher shields need exponentially higher damage to kill the hull bla bla).

*agrees with akoni
25k damage for 58k PR. Terrible. 35k. Reasonable. Still bad. But it is ok. It has always been bad. So 35k might be better. 7 range? No. 8. Yes. Keep Garnet the same, Emmy 9 Topaz 8 range. That`s it.

L.Topaz
M Dmg 35,000

Hull 30,000
Range 8 or 7
Scanner 5,000
PR 58,536
Upkeep 6,600
BR 1

Ship Specials
No retaliation

E Shield +15%
A Shield -5%
ECM +70%
I Hull -40%

i think this would be better

i think it woudl be good to have a L topaz as a range 8 ship

i would prefer topaz to keep at range 8.. garnet will be range 7.. this is better to differentiate between the 3 L ship when using in a stack...

L.Topaz
M Dmg 25,000

Hull 40,000
Range 8 or 7
Scanner 5,000
PR 58,536
Upkeep 6,600
BR 1

Ship Specials
No retaliation

E Shield +20%
A Shield -15%
ECM +80%
I Hull -50%

this design look good to me.. less hull and less firepower than garnet, but with range 8 it can still use as defense ship..

as for the xe, i think lowering the pr will not make it more useful that before.. to make it worthwhile to research 25k turn especially on turnbase, there is two things we can try..
Either make xe no need mineral to build (will be useful in turnbase where there is shortage of mineral)
OR
tweak the shield mod such that it can serve a different role than li...

only thing i think really needs discussing on the topaz ( that as ive said i like ) is wether or not to make it range 7 or keep it at 8

personally i like it as it is...

ill give it a go

The Xe PR drop is because if a simple fix like that will actually make it useful, we would prefer to do that rather than tinker with it too much. Also, and more importantly, mara thought it would work and decided to do it rather than talk about it. For those of you who have it, please test it and see how it fares. It`s not supposed to be a fantastic ship (never was) but researching it will be more appealing in the future if not already, at least on the faster servers.

Xe should not be lowered in in PR.
It should be increased in stat`s.

It`s very nice ship, but not very practical for 25000 T

the emmy before this current update with range 8 have change its name to topaz

then the emmy with range 9 that we have discuss recently is put in as emmy in this current update..

so now we jus need to discuss what should topaz be like.

i don`t mean that the suggestion`s wrong -- i mean the update still has the emmy`s pr of 42k not 58k

i think currently the l topaz pr is wrong

guardians (player):

Deiloche
12day(s) ago Emmy needs a PR reduction, probably.

Anyways, other ships that will be altered:

Hun-Xe
Topaz
Fluorite
Tourmaline
Amethyst

Maybe:
Garnet
Diamond


If the Garnet is changed it will to make it fulfill the high PR missile attack boat that will be missing if the Emerald drops in PR. The garnet is a decent ship right now, so probably the only thing that would change would be tweaking on the shields. And I do not know if the diamond should be changed or not, I have not used it a whole lot in my time as a guardian.

small note going off topic doesn`t help in anyway in fact just gives us more to sift through later to find the actual posts so if you could please keep it on topic that would be great thanks ^^

as in the current emmy design was swiched over to topaz *via a few changes done by mara so fleets with emerald as of current would not be effected* and the emerald design we had up was put in so both are really to be decided on/tweaked as time goes on

sorry i don really understand.. L.emerald switched over to be L.Topaz. So a new emmy design is needed right?
then what is this for?
L.Topaz
M Dmg 25,000

Hull 40,000
Range 8 or 7
Scanner 5,000
PR 58,536
Upkeep 6,600
BR 1

Ship Specials
No retaliation

E Shield +20%
A Shield -15%
ECM +80%
I Hull -50%

guys iam wondering is one of the L class ships gonna have no defence special ability off or you guys gonna keep them all with no defence and no retal? i personally think one of the L class ships shouldn`t have the No Defence on it

srry it wasnt supposed to be so big but just letting the non guards see it also and i like it