Guardian

the point i`m trying to make
is the proposed changes especially the emmie one is too much for the amount of pr per turn it can build on agressive the new emmie can beat

tyr,angel,nivarana,fluch,ara,borr, pclass,pyth,hammerhead,livid and lyth

that is an awfull lot of caps that a 70k per turn ship can beat baring in mind alot of these ships build slower than 40k a turn ......

this is a guardian ship thread.. :P

So, lets say that virals loose the angel. Does this fit into the equation? Thats gotta be a major nerf, even in the eyes of the players with uber stacking skills ;)

Being sane is a waste of my time. i gave it up back a while ago for a brain.

lol.. sometimes i wonder how u all scrape through.. and still be sane..

Please bear in mind that some of us guardians have a base PR of over 5 mil
We can`t fight on even levels until 30M or more PR... we need fast ships

guardian are supposed to play at high pr but they can`t do the uw.. u can`t expect everything to be the same.. might as well take out all other race except for terran.. lol..

Crack: I know. And that is my point exactly. The build rate is way to high for this ship.

currently
emerald pr 65,236
angel pr 22,000
if u build angel 20 and opponent build 10 emerald, u can`t even hit him on a normal attack.. lol..

might as well u compare with my tryujin.. :P

Ok.. lets say you build 10 turns D.angel and attack 10 turn emerald on careful.

emerald do damage on angel = 10*0.5*0.3*50000 = 75000
This will kill 5 d.angel.

15 remaining angels will do = 15*0.5*(0.1*15000+7000*0.9) = 58 500

This will kill 1 emerald and 1 will be damaged.

Result:
attacker looses 5 d.angel = 2.5 turn
defender looses 1 emerald = 1 turn

Haven`t tested the other ships, but if they are as bad, i don`t think they are good against the new Emerald!

New emerald dies against pretty much every capitol but tyr/lyth on careful.

new emmie currently dominates tyr and angel.... especially tyr ...
and nivara, flych, ara, borr, p class , pyth , hammerhead, livid, lyth

PistolPete angel, herc, nirv, lictor all do on attack =P

I think this emerald is overpowered. I believe everyone will agree with me that turns are the most important parameter on every server but RT, where personal persistence in using the turns you get is the more important parameter.

Strafez kills this ship, but what else does?
IMO this ship will be a very good spamming ship. You can build a 7 mil spam with 100 turns. Your opponent needs to put strafez on top and make a stacked fleet that will cost much more turns to take it down.

I think it should cost 2 turns to build one emerald. Ship is way to strong compared to build rate.

Range 7 for corundum that is.

well deiloche i`m sorry that i am not as perfect as u >.< i made a small mistake i thaught that garnets build rate was one not 2

the point i am trying to get across is that although these ships are still fairly weak and loose to alot of things they are still quite strong for the rate at which they build... i just would have preferred maybe instead giving a stronger buff to a slower building ships......

so sorry if by my 1 lil mistake u choose to ignore my entire point >.< wont happen again master..................

Aye bio, agreed 100%

Let us play, then we`ll whine properly

>=)

make the new ships active.
Than we can do some fine tuning later