Guardian

yea.. would love to see more guard ship first :P

I have to say I did like the G.Corundum when you gave it a range of 8.
If Guards don`t get get one or two higher range ships, then they will be pwned even more so after the updates with agg attacks then now. And with the Ruby/Tourm nerf, guards are looking to be the new A miners of the past.

DanHalen is right, drop the ecm mod to around -40%

It can be hard to see a balance from a players point of view when we can`t see how all the Guard ships are going to look when we have only have 3 this far on the table.

Thanks Deiloche, and all the players trying to balance this race.

also, can i expect the toumaline to get punished in the same way the ruby did? i`m anxious.

:P

Great job on the emerald. Liking the corundum as well... but.. well maybe the mods are a little weak for it`s power rating. maybe lighten the negatives to -40 missile and -60 chem?

yafeelme?

atm i like these current changes all tho i think the -75 ecm on the corun is overly excessive it pretty much drops like a rock to all the major caps...

the emerald is good now its still fairly strong with still a decent build rate but has obvious key weakness mainly fez and herc

I guess we need tweaking of all ships to balance out, not just the guard ships, and not just the bigger/capitals. We should see the ship building list does consist of more than 2x of what people will normally use. I personally like the smaller fighters/frigates lol.

guess the updates will not come soon... since there is still other guard ship which require tweaking..

so...tough luck if something else happens...or so...?

i only switched to guard for the updates so i could have a good empire going be4 the updates so......

Wouldnt say that the concerns are gone. I guess we already stated our oppinions and theres no point to keep repeating the same thing.

yes, when well i be able to use these new ships?

hmmmm so for guard when will these updates be in effect? and i guess there are no more concerns with these ships?

wahoo lets go!

yup.. guard is hard not mainly due to the ship... having ruby tom to spam making attacking not really hard for guard.. oni on the defense with crabpy shiplist is a prob for guard.. not too big of a prob if we have time to build neutral... the main reason guard is consider hard is the time and patient required to build a decent guard empire with enough income to let you fight without keeping worrying you will run into debt in no time... i know alot of ppl who jus give up because it jus take too long to set up a proper guard empire and restart to other race..

nice work on the loyalty on the c2 arch :P

and i agree with moops, i went to guard jus to get the god-like ruby tom li... lol

yeah just started as guard i cant wait to try the new stuff out and everything

As a comment --
here`s my personal income on rt (it`s pretty pathetic):

Taxes 5,347,157 - 85 % 802,073
Sales of goods* 224,600
Total Credit 1,026,676 1,026,676
(remember you only get 1/5 income from goods, if you can ever find CG`s)

99 housing

I don`t have large base clusters:
C2.4426 Cluster Lvl 2 2,435,496 2,435,496 4600 0 22,344 0 Strafez Organism
E.0398 U.Large 1,013,809 1,013,809 2150 0 9,301 8 White Crystal
E.9875 U.Large 989,393 989,393 2150 0 9,077 26 Red Crystal

but they`re not bad either ... and yet money is always tight.

when ship upkeep is 1:10 ... even 100 mil pr is very expensive.
There have been few guards who have been able to climb at will (good job to them).

If you start a new guard empire ... it`s not going to be immediate.

Yeah I agree with moops. Any brainless dude can get a viral running and kicking, even make it able to spam pyths and angels in positive income up to 100 mil PR on TB with ease. And to set up guardian economy isn`t really an easy thing. Even if the new emerald/corun are implemented it won`t affect TB too much because there aren`t many guardians that can afford spamming these without spending turns to save money before that. And certainly not to 15 mil PR.

Right now guardians have ruby/tourm, and that`s about the only reason to play as one, and its not really worth it in terms of the time you have to put into the empire... this update is nerfing ruby.. and I`d assume tourm in time... so naturally we need a half decent replacement of them

an "ok" ship with a less than average build rate is not that.

like I said down there, if one is dropped to 50k then fine... but leave the other

Guardian IS a hard race to play.... Have you even tried to play as guardian PistolPete?
Your average guardian can`t afford to spam corr/emmy around the ranks, no matter what the build rate is. It takes a lot of time and planning to get any kind of decent income as guard
and a 10 colony limit doesn`t help anything either -_-

If your going to nerf the corun/emmy PR then one of them needs to be at least 60k, but It`d be better at 70... and the other ship should be at least 50k

i think the best thing u could do is take diels corun add a bit more energy to it
then scale everything by 0.6-0.7 then u would be there :)