Ship Balancing

I think changing the game too much will have overall negative, not positive effect.

Lol miner gets two ships that are actually cheap and everybody starts crying.

I`ve never actually noticed about the miner SB upkeep before ... but seriously

kryo has 45k upkeep for 76k pr of utter junk

but lakko and hoko are 1:5 and 1:7 upkeep to power!! ??
Hike it at least to similar ratio to kryo, and probably should be all the way up to 3:4 -- miners shouldn`t have gifts like that (I`m a miner on ultra)

But although GC is not just RT... you have to consider RT first and foremost `cus like it or not it is by far the most active server with the most people playing on it.

EE, you are completely wrong on that one. I AM CG miner on normal. And my CGs never sell at 4. Always at 3. How is that profitable? If I went tax, I wouldn`t be making much more because I`d wipe the food market out on my own. Then what? And I already have about 250-300 bil worth of minerals on NORMAL that I can`t sell. Your empire on RT is a killer, but your remark about TB is not right because you never(at least since I play GC) had a decent TB account able to play mid/high PR freely.

*looks at DM* thats there fault for going mineral miner, been trying to tell people CG miner is the way to go, and i`m miner on TB i wouldn`t care if the upkeep of miner bases was increased, i use ships for what they are, not what they cost in minerals or upkeep.

"Bear in mind GC is not RT." yay for TB!

sbs are all such specialty ships anyways that don`t seem to be used very much...do they really need to be modified?

But maybe 30-33% upkeep is more reasonable than what it is now. And TWU, lakko has way higher upkeep:PR than hokko. So you can double hokko and increase lakko with 30-40% and it will be alright imo. 1:3 is like compromise to all parties involved. And increase chirons too(I am pretty sure that won`t stop people spamming them either).

Miner starbases are alright imo, they are cheap, true, but only when spammed. In a stack when you have livids chlors lyths arags you should make up for those. True, it will surely work on RT with higher upkeep, but not all servers are RT and on some servers mineral miners barely ever able to sell their minerlals or when they do, they sell only a small batch at like 300 each. And CG miner isn`t terribly rich, especially on some servers where people sell for 3(*coughs, normal). If you try to become big taxer, it gets impossible because there is not enough food on the market(ask islander about ultra?). I am not saying miner isn`t rich, I am saying that miner on RT is super rich, but on other servers not at all so much. Bear in mind GC is not RT. And the whole idea of those starbases was to make defense easier and more appealing. And to be honest, I doubt yoshi will stop spamming bases even with 1:1 upkeep, but it will surely affect the smaller empires trying to get free(as warp said) or UW attempts and what not.

Peace... no. WarpSpeed... that is actually a good thing! Boo hoo now you`ll have to work with your fedmates to attack your slaver and then build out above him? Sounds like good GC fun to me.

the Explorer class ship in GC was modified to 1/4 its exploratative power of UC. But, there wasn`t a corresponding reduction in upkeep. In GC the explorer ships should only cost a quarter as much as they are unbalanced. Also, based on the numbers you need to explore the power is out of balance in both games.

Sure increase starbase cost and make it impossible to get free of enslavement. Have you ever thought that things are the way they are for a reason. Everything is entertwined. Change 1 and it effects something else you will have to fix

I make cash until 400-500mil pr with bases...and i dont make like 10bils...i make 200-220bils...thats sad lol

double upkeep on starbases ( excluding terran & maybe guard ) could be a ease to impliment and smooth update

Yes although you love your bases Yoshi, you have to admit it would make for a better game if after a couple of base spams you had to make some more cash? ... Would stop people running from counters like girls aswell (myself included ;P)

Even if im a A.Miner I agree with macbeth

Miner sb should be more expensive not as deadly as livid lyth arag but still.( miner are rich bla bla bla) but you ever stacked with the 3 ship i mentionned...? lol

Maybe 2-3x the current upkeep on those would do good...

this is what viral should really look like

Race modifiers
Tax from population + 0%
Agriculture yield - 40%
Tax from Commercial - 50%
Industry efficiency
(Industry efficiency) + 20%
Demand for goods + 100 %
Infrastructure Maintenance + 10 %
Plundering colonies - 99 %
Mineral Generation + 0 %


if i could edit these things , D maru would be complete already and GC would be fixed.

Edited by Maraudian on 2009-02-11