Collective

lol deiloche means we will get to use te ships quicker. ny changes gunna happen to the barkentine or not?

That`s why the buildrate is the way it is. I wanted it the highest buildrate but not too big. After all, collectives get some pretty awesome buildrates from a number of their other ships, but as a downside don`t have anything capable of matching the capital ships from other races. This ship is meant to help deal with capital ships without changing the individuality of collectives too much.

I think the ship will be gaining no defense, among other changes. For the specific role that I want the ship to fulfill, it`s stats will definitely be too spammable without no defense.

Thank you all very much for the constructive feedback. :) It makes my job a lot easier.

someone who understands collective handicap ftw!

Edited by Maraudian on 2009-02-09

im loving the battle ship. maybe reduce energy dmg a lil more to -25% and the ionized to -15% to give the higher build rate with the no defense. will make it more vunerable and more likely to be stacked imo but then again im a newb :P. what about a capital ship? o and the build rate only a little bit more then the galleon as it is.

It`s like a much better version of the bullhead... with switched mods and 1 less range...

I`m collective and like it how it is. But to truly be fair since this is for balancing maybe it should have no def. But really, collective doens`t really have anything super good. As it is this would give us a fighting chance.

When we designed it months ago I liked it a lot better than I do now. ^^; Will have to take another look at it. Anyways, everybody keep giving feedback on what you`d like to see it look like/do. Who thinks it should have no def?

trirman needs more negative mods, seeing as how few ships will outrange it at that buildrate

I use the snow so little that I forgot it HAD no retal/no def. ^^; More importantly, though, the snow is an added ship, so it`s a better one to swap out for another new ship.

Well I think the snow is really only more useful than schooner because of the no retal/no defense it has. It will be nice for us to have a fast ship like the suggested trirman.

sweet...the battleship looks like a collective d.bullhead.lmao.will be fun seeing colls climb like that

Trirman looks like you have taken Bull from Maru and given it to Coll?

Yeah, I think the R.Trirman might be a little too good right now. Dunno. But I want opinions. And suggestions. Perhaps changing the stats a bit and adding no def would be good? What do you guys think should be done. That is, after all, the idea for these threads. Positive feedback is very appreciated.

The suggested changes to the Brigantine make sense.

The R.Trirman is something that I would spam even if I was not expecting a guardian. In fact, I think it would be more easily spammed than Brig. The build rate for Trirman is very high for a collective ship, and also it has the two weapon types and the range that almost insure that it will do damage. Also, while I agree that Snow is not a good ship, I find more use for it than the R.schooner.

The idea is to make it competitive with the other races without being too spammable... will need actual testing to see if it works out that way though. It`s quite possible that it will be horribly spammable. *Shrugs*

Lol, Nice battleship. almost makes collective look like a fun race =O
I dun see much reason for a build rate of 6 seeing as how Coll are meant as a low power race...
At 5 it`s already pretty darn fast =)

was wondering why a range 7...never fired on a range 5....lol Yoshi`s Math! 5>7

Ahahaha impressive yoshi. ^^;

*Frown* Hmmm. The stats we use are from GY. I will check to see if bw transcribed the stats properly.

::: I checked the stats, they are right from what we have in GY... dunno what the problem is.

nvm my last comment please...i forgot to add the range *hides*

I`m running the new coll battleship in smi and it say 6777 PR...you guys changed it?