told ya already... lol...

V VALJAOP

OP 01/12/2008 · 11:03 PM #1

lmao... told you all in EvilAbadayos thread...

10:53 PM 01/12/08 xixixix uses artifact on you: Energy Shield deactivates Topaz Dinero from xixixix
10:49 PM 01/12/08 xixixix punishes your citizens for being a bad slave empire. Your population loyalty drops !
10:49 PM 01/12/08 xixixix punishes your citizens for being a bad slave empire. Your population loyalty drops !
10:49 PM 01/12/08 xixixix punishes your citizens for being a bad slave empire. Your population loyalty drops !

go ahead and try to drop 5000 loyalty and it will go up immediately without even paying any tribute... i got nothing to lose except hundreds of Major Dineros... still wish to enslave me?

guess what... as long i`m enslaved... the moment, after server refresh... better get ready for lotsa Major Dineros... so whichever Kho Shield you`re using better make sure you refresh it during after 8pm server time...

you want to play... let`s play... :)

I Infernal

04/12/2008 · 09:20 AM #56

uh, what? kelti your sentence made no sense

K keltikelti

04/12/2008 · 04:54 AM #55

hey why doesn`t a UW holer get enslaved and his slave spamm fodders up high then put his capital ships in his reinforcements places...

U UberPansy

04/12/2008 · 02:46 AM #54

aside: o hey I forgot that you can give back the money you take can`t you? that`s pretty cool... so you could take money from a larger empire or empires and then maybe help out some newer members that would be kind of interesting... sort of like the tribute idea

I agree that being enslaved is likely quite bad for new players morale. In fact, the lower power ranges in general seem to me to be place for "gutter play" if you will where newbie players are always abused by more experienced players (such as by overpowered Guardian craft).

Perhaps things could be drastically changed so that you can get free from your master by getting to double your master`s power (rather than the absurd and meaningless 10x pr unless a more elegant solution presents itself.

E EnderWiggin

04/12/2008 · 01:08 AM #53

kinda sorta maybe related... maybe tributes of like 1 million dollars max, 1 trib a day wouldn`t be bad... or half a mil... that way you could take a 0 day old empire under your wing for the first couple days, and prevent a lot of people from giving up immediately due to debt and startup

V VALJAOP

03/12/2008 · 11:54 PM #52

sorry... let me rephrase it again...

"you might play other races earlier but you`re NOT affected to enslavement now..."

V VALJAOP

03/12/2008 · 11:02 PM #51

that`s my point AGM.. you`re a Guardian now... you might play other races earlier but you`re affected to enslavement now...

A AGM

03/12/2008 · 10:25 PM #50

I have been every race valja although most on the agm94 account that doesnt exist anymore, the majority of time was guard but miner and terran were the next races behind that.

DieOewerBoontjie

http://gc.gamestotal.com/hef.cfm?&8075&f=hef_detail&hi=6487&ch=100
http://gc.gamestotal.com/hef.cfm?&8481&f=hef_detail&hi=7089&ch=100

2 forums threads of people trying to recruit to this game, which include people spending their money for this game. In the past Moops has paid for advertisement on facebook. The players of gc have done more to advertise and recruit in the last year than stephen has in 3-4 years put together.

D DieOewerBoontjie

03/12/2008 · 07:08 PM #49

i agree with valja being a former a.miner player logging in i just see im enslaved. . . bt i wonder if all these guys who say that gc is dying are doing anything to promote the game they supposedly love. . hmmm i wonder

V VALJAOP

03/12/2008 · 03:39 PM #48

let me rephrase this...

"IF a player wish to stay, play and pay longer, one day would do it since SFGC is "something" to them... "

means... a true blue SFGCian would choose paid acc sooner or later... coz don`t you feel to give back something after you gain something? :)

unless of course, you`re a true blue free-rider on everything... lol...

V VALJAOP

03/12/2008 · 03:21 PM #47

here`s the funny thing AGM... you`re playing a Guardian race at the moment... perhaps you did play another race b4 BUT you`re defending an option that does not affect you at all... as for me, i love to play a Terran and when it comes to enslavement, it does affect my empire daily everytime i`m going out of DP...

even though i`m on my paid acc BUT my point related more to new players since 3 of the races that new players can choose are Terran, A.Miner and Collective... if the new players wish to play a race that can`t be enslaved, they had to choose Collective... if any of you all have tried Collective b4 (i had...), we all knew how hard it is to play Collective...

perhaps that`s the idea... for new players to join paid acc and choose another race... but b4 it can happen, most of the new players have gone somewhere else... like i`ve said earlier, IF a player wish to stay and pay longer, one day would do it since SFGC is "something" to them... i hope Stephen could see this and compare why UC is more attractive than GC nowadays...

you all can talk about fed`s vote, market withdrawal, etc, etc... but do you notice that those issues aren`t affecting to new players at all... they can`t even create a fed or do market withdrawal when they`re on free acc... i hope we all can see the differences and not to be clouded with other issues...

C Cinnamon

03/12/2008 · 07:54 AM #46

AGM,

You make good points. I agree that completely removing the feature would be much more negative than positive.

And we both agree that GC has been neglected, and we both agree that GC is enjoyable (or we wouldn`t waste our time making these points)

I think neither of us could prove one way or another whether more people would come or go with a big change of enslavement, or if it just wouldn`t matter either way.

But I think some small *adjustments* to enslavement to make it less a tool of cruel players and more a fun part of the game would be a big plus, though. Too bad, as you point out, that the issue probably won`t get any attention from paid staff.

Cheers, mate

A AGM

03/12/2008 · 07:18 AM #45

Players also go to uc because it is alot easier and actually gets some advertisement and has been updated far more over the last few years.

If you look at gcs recent history,

fed voting temporarily removed for the bug to be fixed(3 years ago)
market withdrawals removed for bug fix(2.5 years ago)
Stephen returns 1 week before disappearing again probably for another 3 years

Whether enslavement is liked or not removing it is only likely to drive away more players that are currently active. Another feature being removed would be another morale blow to a neglected community that has suffered for a long time.

The only recent things that have positively affected gc have been started by non paid staff such as Maraudian and others.

That GC has managed to survive this long is close to a miracle

C Cinnamon

03/12/2008 · 05:49 AM #44

This has really been good food for thought for me. I have never played UC, but obviously it`s fun, it is the much bigger game. I am going to chckit out.

I am playing as a Collective in large part because I hated enslavement as a Terran and a Miner. I am a player who loves careful empire building, though, and collective is not the race for that. I guess I am telling you that because of enslavement, I am not having too much fun with this.

My serious point is that, looking in the mirror, although I love SFGC, I think I would be better off going and trying UC.

AGM may say "good riddance", but VALJA makes a telling point: "SFGC won`t live long enough without new players... "

And, if I am Stephen, why should I bother spending time with my stepchild game that never seems to attract new players? So the game languishes.

You can try to defend enslavement all you want, but I think it drives many new players away and yet doesn`t serve any positive purpose to make the game that much more interesting to others. Why would we want to keep a feature like that which may be strangling the game we all love?

V VALJAOP

03/12/2008 · 04:19 AM #43

AGM... the words are... "being forced upon" ...that`s the point... why can`t we all see and admit more new players prefer to go to UC coz no such thing as being forced upon there? we love SFGC and wish to stay in SFGC but SFGC won`t live long enough without new players...

regardless in games or real life... which country would you prefer to live? a democratic country OR a dictatorship country... don`t be biased when it comes to enslavement issue... i hope you all can see the point i`m trying to bring up...

nothing personal but perhaps there are others who agree with me but prefer to stay on the sideline, just too bad that i`m the only one who is voicing it out "extra" loudly... :)

D DieOewerBoontjie

03/12/2008 · 03:59 AM #42

The enslave thing is just one major bug. a tribute addittion such as in uc where u cn tribute food and creds would be nice though

A AGM

03/12/2008 · 03:59 AM #41

If i remember right ultra is full of enslaved empires at low pr and can be quite a nightmare for fighting low due to reinforcements

I Imagine{A{Cool{Name

03/12/2008 · 03:57 AM #40

I have never seen stacks come to the aid of an enslaved empire without me trying to enslave them. Guess I learned something new.

A AGM

03/12/2008 · 03:55 AM #39

i never said it was all about fighting only that the majority of players choose to play because of the fighting.

The UC vassal system would be a terrible addition to the game but we dont have to worry because even if a miracle happened and stephen updated the game with this. We would surely find a bug in a month or 2 that meant it was temporarily removed(forever) just like fed voting and being able to remove goods from the market

One thing i dont really understand is if the person is getting nothing from you by enslaving you why do you feel the need to climb however high you need to get away? xixixix only enslaves you because it annoys you so much

D DrunkenMasters

03/12/2008 · 03:46 AM #38

VALJA now enslave xixixi lmao

V VALJAOP

03/12/2008 · 03:41 AM #37

AGM... why i hate to go out of DP often is due to enslavement option... i don`t mind losing planets, explore more and come out of DP again and again and again... but once you`re being enslaved unwillingly, you will waste the time on trying to break free upon 10x PR rule... what IF you have such a bully enslaver who didn`t get any tribute at all but insist on staying high PR to avoid their slaves to break free...

if vassal system like UC can`t or won`t be implemented in GC then perhaps change the 10x PR rule... make it any slave can break free at certain PR amount regardless their enslaver`s PR coz when the master is above 120 million PR, it`s TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE for any slave to break free... why don`t make it 50 million PR or 100 million PR as the breaking free point...

SFGC is not all about fighting... whoever think it`s only about fighting, Stephen didn`t put the infras section for fun in the first place... there`s a reason on how getting the income b4 start buying your arsenal...

look at the bigger picture... and IF it`s all about fighting, like i`ve said a long time ago in one of the threads... take away the management option in SFGC and give every new accounts with max income just to fight... nothing at all but fight all day...

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