Gaurd balence....

OP 27/11/2008 · 12:30 AM #1

I was just thinking maybe gaurds could do with a slight balence, in which the typical ruby taurm and li spams arnt as but at the same time gaurds have a better ship array to rely on for stacking.....

Atm gaurds do have a few usefull ships but most of them are very specific for example garnet is very efficient against pyth on agressive but it is not very good as a general ship...

now i no alot of u are going to say gaurds are fine its easy to stack with them u just need skill blah blah blah... but when ever u like it or not the most effective gaurd attack is ruby taurm li spam on carefull it wins against an equal 10 stack 97% of the time .... if i`m wrong i want you to show me a stack that beat it on defence..... (by equal i mean all 10 stacks in the fleet are of pretty much the same pr)

i have no idea what to do in terms of direct firgures and ships but my general ideas would be too---

reduce the fire power of ruby
reduce the hull of tarum maybe change its weopons to energy

introduce a ship or convert an existing ship which can win on defence and attack against both herc and angel on argressive eg a range 8 energy ship but make sure the ship has low hull so if attacked on carefull it will loose

increase the weopns on the emerald.... (its still Shocking for a range 9 destroyer with little hull)

tbh just re-shape the whole of g class so that there actualy good for attacking or defending rather than just glorified fodders .......

the whole idea of this is just to try and reduce the effectiveness of the ruby li taurm spam and to make general stacking with gaurds more effective......

now i leave it to u to tear all this apart :)

p.s.. reduce the amount of turns for k class.... no way in hell are those 2 ships worth 25k each maybe like 8-12k

A AGM

27/11/2008 · 02:44 AM #18

TWU remember that sol plays without a base pr which makes fighting alot easier and in the range under 1m alot of them are extremely powerful due to the amount of hull. The ships weaknesses are exposed alot more with the base pr or at a higher pr level which is why guard stacking is excellent under 1m, can be pretty good up to 10m and almost useless higher

T TheWorldUnitedOP

27/11/2008 · 02:43 AM #17

Another note is that the Good guard ships are all very similar

eg taurm ruby....... VERY SIMilar
li and xe ... mild difference in hull and damage but still used for similar purposes just li is generally more effective than xe....

and on the odd occasion quartz and agate can be good as a weak version of ruby.... the point is theres no variance in the guard fleet... as opposed to terren fleet big bulking jugg ... high range missile ship TYR

followed by the range 11 destroyers.... and range 9 energy ship guardua .... as well as all purpose nirvana .....

point I`m trying to make is its the variance in the terren fleet that promotes stacking guards have very few useful ships which makes spamming the effective ones a much more efficient way of fighting than stacking.....

T TheWorldUnitedOP

27/11/2008 · 02:39 AM #16

Sol
Game-Guide
4min(s) ago Thread creator option: This is the answer
All races are suitable balanced to promote stacking anyway, but still empires choose to spam.

I myself stack wherever possible and i am a gaurdian
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sol.... please tell me u dnt actually believe that ......... seriously now how is that the case with guardian ..... spam ruby taurm li on careful u have a 90% chance of winning if u hit a stack where lets say if u stack u probs have what a 50-60% chance of winning if ure a skilled stacker going against another skilled stacker.....

how does that encourage you to stack over spam ....

guards have about 5 good RACE ships the others have there odd uses but are not constantly effective ... this is taken against viral who can pick 9 good useful all round good ships ..... plus guards have no effective range 8/9 destroyer (sorry emerald does not count) that can be used on aggressive......... Nothing about the guard race really promotes stacking in comparison to other races such as terren viral even maru have more stacking capability that guardian.....

do you honestly believe what ure preaching???

i am too a guard.... i try to stack where ever possible but after NUMEROUS fights ruby taurm li spam is clearly the most efficient guard attack .....

S Sol

27/11/2008 · 02:27 AM #15

All races are suitable balanced to promote stacking anyway, but still empires choose to spam.

I myself stack wherever possible and i am a gaurdian.

A AGM

27/11/2008 · 02:23 AM #14

Nerfing isnt realy a gc exclusive thing, its mostly used to describe attempting to balance a game by weakening(nerfing) something overpowered

H HouseAtreides

27/11/2008 · 02:21 AM #13

And thanks for your extremely fast answer, TWU

H HouseAtreides

27/11/2008 · 02:21 AM #12

Forget my question, I just found the answer in Wikipedia. Pardon my ignorance.

T TheWorldUnitedOP

27/11/2008 · 02:21 AM #11

nerfing if i`m right means like reducing the effectiveness of a ship.. changing it to make it less powerfull/effective eg reducing hull increasing pr reducing weopons reducing shield mods....

H HouseAtreides

27/11/2008 · 02:18 AM #10

A newbie Guard asks: What does "nerfing" mean?

T TheWorldUnitedOP

27/11/2008 · 02:10 AM #9

sol.... did u actualy even read what i put???.......

not asking u to nerf ships.... asking you to adjust them to promote stacking .... making some a tad weeker and others a tad stronger... and i think i`ve give enough reasons in my main speech to justify this ........

and if u dnt think these balence changes are needed could u at least state why they arnt needed.... i mean an actuall reason not just a because there not needed......

S Sol

27/11/2008 · 02:00 AM #8

I`m tired of hearing this.

we are not nerfing gaurd ships.

T TheWorldUnitedOP

27/11/2008 · 01:29 AM #7

another point i`m trying to make is there is no insentive for gaurds to stack when this spam is soo effective..... and when they do stack there arnt many effective combinations due to bad ships that dnt combine well together....

for example garnet and emerald want to go argressive while ships like li`s xe`s G class want to go normal/ carefull....

E Exule

27/11/2008 · 01:07 AM #6

that`s ok. if all they do is use those ships, then they will lose on defense to make up for their wins on offense :)

M Macbeth

27/11/2008 · 01:04 AM #5

Great now you`ve gone and told all the new Guards all they need to do is Ruby/Tourm/Li spam ;P Cheers.

D Deiloche

27/11/2008 · 12:50 AM #4

Plenty of fleets that survive ruby tourm li on careful. ^^; Not many, but a few. Not that you`d ever want said fleets if anybody but a guardian was hitting you.

T TheWorldUnitedOP

27/11/2008 · 12:48 AM #3

having just posted this i actualy found a stack that can survive ruby taurm li spam on carefull .... its the only one i`ve ever seen :P

Hercules Juggernaught 21 3 18
C.Aries Corvette 18000 18000 0
Tyr Dreadnought 70 52 18
M.Lyth Dreadnought 30 0 30
D.Hammerhead Frigate 233 0 233
D.Angel Battleship 36 0 36
P.Thor Destroyer 514 0 514
P.Zeus Cruiser 473 0 473
Tiger Destroyer 550 0 550
M.Chlorite Destroyer 660 0 660

but honestly who would ever build a fleet like that .....

D Deiloche

27/11/2008 · 12:45 AM #2

I`ve been trying to get guards changed for a long time now. I have a half ready shiplist prepared for them that just needs testing and tweaking. The problem is getting a general consensus. :P

As for reducing k.class requirements, that isn`t going to happen. But remaking the ships, at least to an extent, is quite possible.

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