Economy vs Military

And I don`t see why you are giving yourself TOO MUCH credit for what you are doing. All the server combined can`t take the ranks for 24 hours just because of guys like you that can`t handle their pride(not to mention your fishy guard, 1.8 mil base PR with hundreds of billions, smells like max loyalty and lots of infra(160-170?) for 50 day old empire, what you got some nintendo-like programs to keep up the clicking for you or what? I am not backing CC but the last time they lost the ranks for more than 24 hours was when I, loof, bandits, deiloche, darckknight were playing(and yes, that is MK) and then some CCers actually went in VM to protect their clusters(not because of lack of time). BW eventually lost all his c3s, ren lost a c3 etc etc Server combined with empires like you, it will be impossible for you to do that, I can absolutely guarantee you that. On top of what I said, I can guarantee you that I can wipe your balanced fleet with stack at higher PR easily, it`s just way too easy to kill all guard ships but K class and ruby tourm. Basicly every destroyer on aggressive will walk over them like a tank over an ant. So shhh..., please. And don`t come up with the idea to build 5 mil broads 5 mil taurus 5 mil cancer 5 mil sword in a balanced stack because you simply cannot afford doing that every day(moops and bandits can, fact, but their empires aren`t the usual guard empires).

I would have gladly wiped you with the counter, but I used my fleet to smack multikillerz with it, too many backstabbers lately, I should make a list to pick from...

PR losses
Attacker 33596603 = 71.5%
Defender 22258779 = 48.2% DP

*** Attack failed! ***
Attacker`s fleet
Name Units Casualties Remaining
Strafez Queen 5872 5872 0
K.Hun-Li Destroyer 102 102 0
F.Broadsword Destroyer 4657 4288 369
L.Emerald Destroyer 79 79 0
G.Corundum Destroyer 79 79 0
L.Garnet Frigate 144 144 0
Tourmaline Fighter 786 408 378
Ruby Corvette 454 4 450
G.Agate Fighter 389 13 376
Large Strafez Fodder 2525 8 2517
Defender`s fleet
Name Units Casualties Remaining
D.Bullhead Cruiser 1584 977 607
D.Hammerhead Frigate 2777 0 2777
D.Angel Battleship 432 432 0
Pike Destroyer 7856 0 7856
Pyth Battleship 240 240 0
Large Strafez Fodder 777 777 0
Small Strafez Fodder 2881 2881 0
F.Broadsword Destroyer 107 107 0
Sting Cruiser 73 73 0
Tiger Destroyer 55 55 0

You completely misguessed my stack regardless what you will say, it was a sudden spark of luck for you and surprise for me that gave you the victory, not to mention you were almost going to base yourself, not me if I knew you were hostile.

Bartos attacked you. Attack was successful !

Name Units Casualties Remaining
Bartos`s fleet
Strafez Queen 5,872 4,658 1,214
K.Hun-Li Destroyer 102 102 0
F.Broadsword Destroyer 4,657 4,281 376
L. Emerald Destroyer 79 79 0
G.Corundum Destroyer 79 79 0
L.Garnet Frigate 144 0 144
Tourmaline Fighter 786 0 786
Ruby Corvette 454 11 443
G.Agate Fighter 389 6 383
Large Strafez Fodder 2,525 8 2,517
DrunkenMasters`s fleet
D.Hammerhead Frigate 2,777 2,777 0
D.Bullhead Cruiser 1,583 977 606
D.Angel Battleship 432 432 0
Pike Destroyer 7,856 3,686 4,170
Pyth Battleship 240 240 0
Large Strafez Fodder 777 777 0
Small Strafez Fodder 2,881 2,881 0
F.Broadsword Destroyer 107 107 0
Sting Cruiser 73 73 0
Tiger Destroyer 55 55 0

dude, don`t piss me off. You freakin backstabbed me that night big time, as well as your ignorant fed, that just pushed me even more to cancel all those naps and ridiculous alliances. I never thought you`d hit me and I was going to lead bullhead in my finished stack. And what was your point of hitting me? That I backstabbed your fed by COUNTERING that tiny guard at base that seemed to spam me and ishy at least 4 times. Woo hoo, you are great. Look what would have happened with one more bullhead(and that`s what I`d lead if I knew I was going to be hit). First I will post the hit, and then what`d happen if you weren`t such an ignorant backstabber.

Right on Sol, if u play it clever at any race u can win every battle

and yes, statistically seen the Brig is 20% stonger then ruby on the same pr...

Ow ... we spamming guards :)
we never see collectives (with their brigs/sloops spam) and maru with pyth/d.angel (same goes for viral) spamming anything :)

Btw when I based u Drunkenmaster (or almost based u)

You attacked DrunkenMasters. Attack was successful !

Name Units Casualties Remaining
Bartos`s fleet
Strafez Queen 5,872 4,658 1,214
K.Hun-Li Destroyer 102 102 0
F.Broadsword Destroyer 4,657 4,281 376
L. Emerald Destroyer 79 79 0
G.Corundum Destroyer 79 79 0
L.Garnet Frigate 144 0 144
Tourmaline Fighter 786 0 786
Ruby Corvette 454 11 443
G.Agate Fighter 389 6 383
Large Strafez Fodder 2,525 8 2,517

That was a Nice spam right ?

a decent stack will pwn a spamming gaurd any day.

spamming is for lazy people.

28/10/08
10:11 AM ThunderRats
601,878 DrunkenMasters
467,943 Win

ThunderRats attacked you. Attack has failed !

Name Units Casualties Remaining
ThunderRats`s fleet
Hercules 2 0 2
Large Strafez Fodder 417 0 417
T.Empereur Battleship 12 0 12
Strafez Queen 70 2 68
Nirvana Dreadnought 2 0 2
P.Zeus Cruiser 15 0 15
DrunkenMasters`s fleet
Ruby Corvette 33 2 31
Strafez Queen 1 0 1
Large Strafez Runner 1 1 0
C.Gemini Frigate 1 1 0
Large Strafez Fodder 1 1 0
F.Axe Frigate 1 1 0
Light Frigate Frigate 1 1 0
Small Strafez Runner 1 1 0
Small Strafez Fodder 1 1 0
C.Aries Corvette 1 1 0

erm, yeah, rubys aren`t rigged at all...

plus you have no chance IN HELL defending against pure ruby spam NO DUMMIES on careful with collective, the only chance you have is winning some hercs tyrs etc... And I say that from my biased guardian point of view(yes, I am guard on fast and all I will do will be spamming rubys until they get fixed because they give me the results).

lol, really bartos? That`s probably because you are a guard, as ishy said... tourm and ruby>> brig and sloop, these ships are tottally RIGGED

Brigs and sloops are in my eyes the most powerfull ships tbh :)

yeah what ish said. straight ruby spam can win on any cap ships spam, herc included on offense =.=`
but imo virals are more annoying and unbalanced

back on topic..... basically what everyone else said. if you dont like the huge pr, be a agri guard ;)

I`m all for balancing everything, ships, incomes, virals, etc

homo, no. unfair, yes. i`m with ishamael, and ishamael`s with me if you know what im sayin!

bartos: no. just because guards have two homo ships and virals haven`t been properly tweaked means nothing. marauders are still terribad, so why would anyone with a paid choose them? miners are quite powerful, terrans are balanced, and collective is just annoying.

and Sol: no. h class does nothing for ruby and tourmaline, and you`ll beat almost all capitol ships if you`re not completely out-of-your-mind-dumb. just because the herc and k class can handle them on d means nothing.

Gaurdian have a pathetically poor income stream for a reason. to balance their good shiplist.

and gaurds can be beaten by capital spam quite easily or h.class spam aswell *shakes fist at collectives*

however queens solve both of these problems in one. as i showed here :P

27/10/08
07:10 PM XXXXX
867,366 Sol
109,977 Win

7:10 PM 27/10/08
XXXXX counter-attacked you. Attack has failed !

Name Units Casualties Remaining
XXXXX`s fleet
Hercules 4 1 3
T.Garuda Destroyer 189 15 174
C.Cancer Cruiser 100 2 98
F.Sword Destroyer 156 0 156
M.Chlor Cruiser 1 0 1
Pike Destroyer 1 0 1
Sol`s fleet
Strafez Queen 60 60 0
K.Hun-Li Destroyer 1 0 1

Edited by Sol on 2008-10-28

still
Ishamel, there should be a reward for those who get a paid account right ?
If Collective / terran or A.miner were way better then viral / maruader or guardian there wouldn`t be much paid accounts any more :)

yeah with the unfair upkeep of ships, that`s very true. easily fixable as well :(

I think it are the virals who are dominating

the only people who see it as fair are the guardians, take off the tunnel vision fellas ;)

you`ve had your years of dominance lol..