Another Guardian Issue

C chaosOP

OP 26/09/2008 · 07:32 PM #1

Why do most of the Guardian ships have huge hulls while having lousy (read :negative) defense modifier? Can we have a change such that the modifier changes to neutral or positive, while reducing the hull of the ships by the same percentage. PR would remain the same.
Taking an example: G.Amethyst
Hull 40,000
Defense Modifier
Energy Shield + 99 %
Absorption Shield - 20 %
ECM - 20 %
Ionized Hull - 20 %

Change to:
Hull 33000
Defense Modifier
Energy Shield + 99 %
Absorption Shield 0 %
ECM 0 %
Ionized Hull 0 %

PR drops slightly due to reduced hull (by 333), which is only 1% of the hull

M Moops

30/09/2008 · 08:49 PM #18

lack of range is no issue, just attack on careful and put your no retal ships in your lower stacks, ruby beats lyth on careful at even pr, or put fodder against lyth and flank it to death

I Infernal

30/09/2008 · 07:42 PM #17

strafez, duh

C chaosOP

30/09/2008 · 07:15 PM #16

Another issue is the lack of range. The L class are missile ships and yet have lower range than some energy ships. What`s a good counter for M.lyth spam?

C chaosOP

27/09/2008 · 09:46 AM #15

Nope look at the example more carefully. It doesn`t make the ship stronger, at all. Let`s say we find a ship with 33400 of Kinetic attack, it will kill the ship (33400x1.2=40080), after then change, it will still kill the ship when the hull is 33000. I`m only asking for a ratio change so we don`t see the ugly modifiers on every single ship.

D Demacus

27/09/2008 · 06:06 AM #14

lol only thing i found as guard was that l class was a little weeak for use on other guards other then that they`re not to bad I miss being able to build millions in pr with 8 stacks hint on stacking don`t use Ruby tourm or k hun top =P it`s easy to stack as guard you have much more possible builds at high pr most ships look weak but over all you can build a good stack fast and easy

C CrazyMaverickTNM

27/09/2008 · 04:58 AM #13

just so you know most G class ships dont work so well under a million power. 3+ or 5+ million power of stacking for guard is really good for an all guard ship fleet

but in the lower powers learn to use F class, fodder, Queen, C.class as well. more costly but does better with lower power stacks.

A AGM94

27/09/2008 · 04:09 AM #12

depends what you call high pr cinnamon but neutrals up there take too long to be of use but pretty much no stack will save you from 2x pr spams once you get to high pr

S Sol

27/09/2008 · 02:56 AM #11

stack.

avoid emerald. use frigates and neutrals. pwn em all :P

C Cinnamon

27/09/2008 · 02:54 AM #10

Sol, Tell us HOW they are phenomenal. I asks ya, no I BEGS ya, what are the best ways?

All I ever hear is ruby/tourm, ruby/tourm. OK. But there has to be more than that.

And, Boyer, if you want specifics, how does Guard stack against Viral best? At high pr?

Spam or Stack? What`s a good lead, 2nd, 3rd stack?

Help is appreciated....

S Sol

27/09/2008 · 01:52 AM #9

when used well gaurd are fenomenal. fortunately for most players there are very few players with good gaurdian ability. (ruby torum and li doesnt count)

M Moops

27/09/2008 · 01:06 AM #8

i stack as guardian all the time =/
i dont have any problems with it
dont ruin my sexy G class >=O

S Seifer

27/09/2008 · 01:01 AM #7

Because the energy shield is ridiculously high?

B Boyer

27/09/2008 · 12:55 AM #6

If you need a general stack, I cannot give you one lol. It depends on what attitude, what opponent, and what pr :) PM me on RT if you have any specific problems.

C Cinnamon

27/09/2008 · 12:40 AM #5

Boyer, Crazy, tell us, serious question, how DO Guardians stack?

What is the going "best practices"?

Help is appreciated...

C CrazyMaverickTNM

26/09/2008 · 10:15 PM #4

ya learn to stack.

I Infernal

26/09/2008 · 09:37 PM #3

if that were the case, whats the diff then? lol..the ships would still die...

B Boyer

26/09/2008 · 08:57 PM #2

... That would make guards too powerful <.< You seem to not know exactly how to USE guardian... Guardian ships are MEANT to have huge hull... The ships haven`t been messed with, so I don`t see why they should now <.< Just learn how to stack with guard before you bring up issues...

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