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Maru Upkeep Fixing (NOT viral)

Started by Deiloche · 04/06/2008 · 09:51 AM · 47 replies · 1 read
D DeilocheOP
First thing to say, this is NOT a thread about virals, so do NOT mention virals at all in this thread. This is about making the marauder race less spammy and less ZOMG PYTH ANGEL. It has absolutely nothing to do with virals.

By and large, the marauder upkeep ratios are fairly random. It actually sometimes seems that the better the ship (excepting destroyers) the lower it`s upkeep, which is absolutely absurd. Now that Maraudian has easy access to changing ships, many changes to rebalance the game will follow.

The point of this thread is to address the marauder ship upkeeps. Later, once the general upkeeps are taken care of, the smaller ships of most races will receive bonuses making them actually useful to use, including marauder ships.

For now, though, the general idea of this thread is this: give marauder ships a fairly standard upkeep amount. The upkeep on pyth and angels are to be dramatically increased, while the upkeep on many other ships will be dropped significantly to more reasonable levels. Mostly, the ships will have similar upkeeps.

Feel free to comment.

Ship name - Old Upkeep - New Upkeep - Percentage of Upkeep
Eel - 22 - 7 - 9.9%
Manta - 30 - 10 - 12.8%
Ray - 37 - 8 - 9.8%
Piranha - 165 - 40 - 10.6%
D.Hammerhead - 570 - 511 - 14.1%
Barracuda - 438 - 142 - 9.4%
Pike - 410 - 201 - 15.8%
Tiger - 468 - 242 - 16.2%
Shark - 345 - 234 - 11.4%
D.Bullhead - 660 - 1002 - 15.8%
Sting - 272 - 175 - 10.9%
Pyth - 750 - 3444 - 15.3%
D.Angel - 1065 - 3711 - 16.9%


Further ship modifications (specifically some mild nerfing to the overpowered ships and some buffing to the smaller and underwhelming ships) to come.
D DarckKnight
then thats not balancing the game deil, one affects the other. unless something changes in virals upkeep
D DeilocheOP
This thread is about marauders only... do not mention virals. The drop on the pike upkeep is necessary for marauders.
D DarckKnight
ish i would spam barks to win at the higher mills *hint hint* but then again i now nothing about that *whitles*

don't like the drop in upkeep of pikes, that would be a big no no
R Ragnarok
yea, brig is a better spammy ship if you want a good defense or offense against spammers....assuming that it takes up only about 50 - 60 percent of your fleet and the rest of the fleet is about even.
I Ishamael
why... would ANYONE smap the bark? that`s the worst rebuttal i`ve seen yet.
M Maraudian
spam or stack , this isnt really related , these are just things that it will affect , this idea would go under balance and balance affects everything
D DeilocheOP
Nothing anybody does will actually STOP spam. All we can do is encourage stacking and make it so the stacking can beat spamming, or it is profitable to stack.
T ThEpAkIsTaNIeMpIrE
i think, it would be harder to spam, but they might go for other ships like pike to spam.
D DeilocheOP
... bark? Lmao... ooookay...

As for the ruby, I intend to address that at a later time.

However, that is not the point. As marauders stand right now, they almost HAVE to spam, because it severely limits them otherwise. These changes will promote stacking, especially in conjunction with the modifications to many of these ships that I am currently working on. It won`t keep people from spamming, but it will help the stackers. If you`re complaining because it is going to hurt marauders as an EASY race, tough. They are NOT listed as an easy race, so they shouldn`t be an easy race.
F FireStormZ
Deiloche,

Do you really want to count up spammers? we can look at viral, we can look at dozens of spammers across races... Lyth anyone? Ruby? Herc/irvana/Tyr? Bark?

Every race has spammers and ships good for spamming..

Talk to O3mega who pretty much *always* has a deep and balanced stack...
D Deiloche
Tell that to DrunkenMasters, FireStorm... or tell it to all the marauders who regularly stack with most of the ship upkeeps at 30% and only two down super low and still do fine. Sure, you`re not going to be able to jump incredibly high on very few credits, but now you`ll be able to play with more than just pyth, angel, and bullhead without bankrupting yourself.
F FireStormZ
IMHO the best way to discourage spamming is to have folks build fleets that stand up well to it..
F FireStormZ
As pointed out in other places the maru race is the *only race* not in the top 20 in any zone why in the hell would they have to be nerfed?

Pyth - 750 - 3444 - 15.3%
D.Angel - 1065 - 3711 - 16.9%

You`re joking right? you do know the maru don`t do anything particularly well right, no easy way to make money (beyond plundering and you cant sustain a powerful empire through plunder)

With food prices at 20 a collective empire Only other race that cant explore hence the comparison) can make a ton of money through agri, the maru`s have a 50% handicap in that regard..
D Deiloche
This is only part one of my suggestion. Currently working on part two. :) It won`t mean people won`t spam, of course, but spamming marauders are fairly easy to kill.

Take, for example, a.miners. One of the best stacking races in the game, but people still spam with them. It just gives the option.
C CounterCrazy
spamming its self would be more discouraging if all spam ships cost as much as Lyth.
S StormofBladeZ
i agree w/ ching. but it`ll be more discouraging at least. lol
C {Ching}
it wont stop marauders spamming will just make it cost more
M Maraudian
i like this idea also and am all for it , seems its not only a balance marauder will be happy with , but has balanced affects on other races * cough & hide
T travvman
I like virals. They smell nice.
O OpusDei
I agree with Pyth and Angel mods. They have rediculous low upkeeps. But if id have to be involved in an armsrace against a Herc spamming Terran, my Pyth upkeep would definately be of a bigger disadvantage to my Economy than it would be to the Terran with his Hercs lets say...Correct me if i am wrong but Terrans make money way easier then Marus.right??!!

I think the Bullhead and Hammerhead`s original upkeeps are not correct. One ship has ca.3000 power and the other has ca.6000, therefore I agree with Deiloches`s mods on those two ships.

The Pike and Tiger mod is definately a way to go, i havent been using pikes and tigers alot exactlly for that reason...

Cheers
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