1week till T emp H mow edit`s

A sidenote for anybody who DOESN`T think that the MoW is vastly overpowered... you really, really, really don`t know what you`re talking about. At all. ^^; It needs to be nerfed badly, and the general idea is to make it an interesting defensive firepower ship for collectives.

HECK, who cares what they do to the station MoW, the offensive whips are the best one`s anyway, the MoW is just another fodder that can capture a few enemy stacks before it gets wiped out. don`t really like it and i don`t think i have used it much at all myself.
"shrugs"

no do this 500 energy 500 kenetetic 8 range ans its a cruiser.

You want another super destroyer ... 8 range ... uhm no

ching, 500 missile and 500 energy damage won`t make a whole lot of differense for a no defence ship - as a whole, spamming no defense ship is pretty easy to beat.

Yeah, I think 8 range might be risky. I also would prefer just the 2 weapon types- Energy and Kinetic, instead of missile too. How would 1000 Energy, 1500 Kinetic be? No retal/Defense, and change kinetic mod to -40 or -30.

Hell no on range 8 emp.

Yes AGM the virals should definately have the option to change - at least on the slower servers, they can just restart on RT cuz it sucks anyway :P
lol no straffez on the emp for me and I also dont like giving it 3 weapon types as it will just become another spammable ship.

I was a part of the GC Council too Omeg just couldnt remember all the other people that were.

From what ive read starseeker the general i idea with the mow changes are to weaken it, think emp going to range 8 would be a good idea and that allowing the use of d maru for successful uws would be good for thte game. I also think that existing virals should get the chance to change their ships after the change are complete if possible

Collective does not need to get any stronger. I never attack them except from +200% or better to have any chance at a win. I play collective on fast and almost never use the MOW. However, without the MOW, I might be more likely to attack collective on other server speeds.

I still like the idea of the Emp going to range 8.

Will you make it only for people who set off uw now(as i hope) or for all who`ve done it in the past, so we`ll see D.Maru everywhere straight up heh

cool, D.Maru ships! I`m assuming when you say make it playable for UW users, that you actually mean "successful" UWers.

*bipbippy is excited because this gives her a reason to start up her UW attempts again :P

ok, in regards to omegian- why not make the MoW have

H.Man-O-War
E: 100
K: 0
M: 100
C: 100
T: 300
H: 250
S: 0
R: 7
PR: 357
U: 132
BR: 50

E.S: 40%
K.S: -35%
M.S: 40%
C.S: -20%

it`s still kinda crazy, but its worth a test run for sure.

i like DM`s emp, but maybe tone down the shields a bit like 40% instead of 50%

Rag, there are 3 good enough "Collective" swarm ships that I consider good in large amounts that can wipe or hurt anyone. Now sure your just saying there is one, i believe there are more. I have different opinion.

Anyhow i came back to read this post then relax my rest of the summer, you can reach me via by email or by pming me on RT i guess since ill have to revm that.

Anyhow i like Deiloches new MoW, However i did some small comparisons you might want to add chemical and take either the energy or the kinetic off, for reasons that capital ships can spam that on careful or normal and win against hte MoW, however your hoping for a 100% or below pr hits that would probably change a few ship attacks, but hercs still will win against it if i made my mods correct on my estimations.

But this downplays and gives more weaknesses to already the strongest attacking and defensive race with ships out there in my opinion.

I wont touch Emperur for reasons, but giving it a chemical fpower is just plain ridicoulous as thats for strafez classes really.

Also im glad the 2 guard ships got turnbased hurt some, they needed that.

Also AGM, that GC Council thing had Qwerty, Aba, Mara, I think Quaint, im forgetting like 2 others and I was included. oh yea and Deiloche was in on some of it.

Going back to having a nice summer tata

Will be very strange to see the T emp actually used in peoples stacks, lol.

i`m all for dm`s proposition on the emp, pretty decent firepower but the no defense allows it to remain fair :P

Dude that would suck, because every other person as terran would be spamming that.

hown about giving the emp some chemical attack:

1.5k Missile
500 Chemical

i think terrans need a chemical firing ships other than strafez...

infernal, tell me who will use empereur instead of nirvana as you are proposing it. I have another idea:
500 energy
1500 kinetic
500 missile
7 range , no retal, no defense
hull as it is
PR as it is
build rate 4
-50% energy
+50% kinetic
-50% missile
+50% chemical

that way it will be borr and strafez killer and nice addition to the big 3, nice build rate, far from overpowered and useful to some extent + pretty useful in a stack