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Petition Part 2: Viral Upkeep

Started by Deiloche · 22/04/2008 · 03:41 PM · 59 replies · 1 read
D DeilocheOP
Well, I haven`t had any PMs objecting to the ideas I set forth and a bunch in support of it, so we`ll go ahead with my three ideas for the first petition. However, as a community, we need to agree on how to deal with the viral upkeep issue before we propose something to Stephen.

(I apologize for not doing this a while ago, I`ve barely been on GC this past week, been quite distracted.)

My preference for this would be to standardize the upkeep of viral ships based on their class. So, destroyers have one upkeep per PR while battleships have another.

Another possibility, one I like even better, would be devising a formula to determine the upkeep of viral ships, similar (although much improved upon) to the old PR formula. This would be complicated to derive, but it would work out better.

Or, the third possibility, which was the original idea WAY back when Stephen almost updated the game, is just a standardized upkeep with respect to PR. PR/1.2 or PR/1.3 were the numbers floating around back then.

Weigh in! Lets decide this thing. We cannot present a petition to Stephen without most of the game being unified. Once we agree on how we want the upkeep to be dealt with (with alternatives being offered to Stephen, so ideally we could pick the numbers we want for all three options I mentioned above so that he can pick whatever he is willing to do) then we can start gathering empire names for the petition. The more people who agree with whatever is on the petition, the less people who will be upset, and the more likely Stephen will be to do the update for us.
Y Yoshi
yah, you look at Lyth upkeep? 21k. thats kinda very low:\ could not work this way. but i agree viral cheap
D Deiloche
Look at the costs on the viral ships. That affects on virals. Stephen did that as a `quick fix` a long time ago, with the intention of removing the added cost and replacing it with standardized upkeep. It can be done for only virals, don`t worry. Maraudian can only change the ships themselves, but Stephen can affect them in other ways.
O OnDante
Yeah, I think we all agree on that, DM. The upkeep for viral ships is OK too, so this change would only occur for Viral Reverse-Engineered ships. Making the change effective for Marauders would probably kill the race in a day.
D DrunkenMasters
And how exactlyl he will implement upkeep only for viral? Because if you screw over the upkeeps for other races it will suck honestly. I think the other races upkeep is fine as it is and I believe others think that too.
D Deiloche
Yeah, looks a lot better. It definitely changes the dynamic though, especially on RT where turns are boundless.
O OnDante
OK, updated upkeep information, but for more of the ships. First number is current upkeep, second number is newly-proposed upkeep. Again, quick math, sorry for any mistakes.
Herc 35000, 32430
Nirv 22000, 12879
Tyr 14500, 9310
Thor 1600, 1160
Garuda 750, 683
Ryu-Jin 3, 6
Aragonite 5982, 3596
Lyth 52052, 21457
Flysch 5254, 5165
Calcite 962, 1215
Chlor 1900, 1183
Chlorite 962, 883
Epidote 740, 669
Angel 1065, 16576
Pyth 750, 16091
Sting 272, 1151
Bullhead 660, 4526
Shark 345, 1466
Tiger 468, 1069
Pike 410, 911
Hammerhead 570, 2580

Generally, this reduces upkeep for Terran and Miner ships while substantially increasing upkeep for Marauder ships.
R RareHunter
you thought anybody actualy serriously cared about your "petition" lol, i got more posts on here by calling you a math geek then people actualy serriously caring about viral upkeep yawn newb
D DrunkenMasters
rare, your newbieness is matched only by the player that gave you G back in the day. You are the oldest viral? Is that an accomplishment or something?
D Deiloche
Yeah, that`s my vote too, OnDante. PR/1.4 only for RE-ships, and of course, costs on all ships will go back to normal for virals.
D Deiloche
*Shrugs* Not my problem if you haven`t learned enough about the game to be able to play with virals actually being fair, rare. Clearly you don`t want this petition to go through... perhaps you`d have to reset your oldest viral account because you simply can`t manage to survive on even terms with other races.

Back on track. PR/1.3 or PR/1.4... which works best for you?

For everybody else... feel free to make fun of the perman00b Rare if you like, but please at least have some on-topic stuff in your post. Rare simply wants this post to degenerate into an argument. He can be a petty n00b all he wants.
O OnDante
Can we vote for a PR/1.4 for only RE-ships? If so, that`s my vote.
R RareHunter
man thats your best comeback, after i went to such much trouble to de-rail this so called "petition" you newbs these days disappoint me yawn
B bipbippy
you would think, seeing that rarehunter is just so much bigger and better than the rest of us, that he would get bored and move on and leave all of us little newbs alone.
D Deiloche
Thanks rare. :D A game like this has to be designed by a so-called "math geek" or it will suck. Yeah, I need to get a life. However, until then, I will settle for trying to make GC better.
A Anfit
all praise to the math geeks :E
O Omegian
*yawns* at the rarehunter who is only jealous he cant do anything but talk big but have no bite.
R RareHunter
aww dam 3 uw`s dam why am i even trying to argue with your amazingness! o wait now i remember, it`s because just like your collective ship sugguestion all your ideas are newbish
yawn get a life math geek
D Deiloche
Regardless... it seems that the general consensus thus far is to go with the third idea, mostly for simplicity. I wouldn`t mind offering a few options for Stephen if he feels motivated, but he is most likely going to choose the third.

So, what ratio would be fair? I`d say something like 70%, or PR/1.4. (Roughly equal) PR/1.3 or 75% isn`t a bad choice either, though I prefer the 70%.
O OnDante
Just in case someone needs an example, you can type:
"BareHunter, CareHunter, DareHunter, FareHunter" and so forth. Then, all empires with those names will be removed from the forum.
O OnDante
Just thought now would be a good time to remind everyone of Anfit`s wonderful Firefox mod that allows you filter out newbs who post on the forum. The mod can be found at:
http://mmanir.sytes.net/gc/

Once you`ve installed it, you can go to Options on the top menu, then scroll down to "Anfit`s Killfile." Then type in the names of any newbs separated by commas.
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