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Suggestion. On collectives.

Started by Zenith · 02/07/2006 · 12:19 AM · 15 replies · 0 reads
Z ZenithOP
OP 02/07/2006 · 12:19 AM
Build rates

Pinnace: 120 a turn
Sloop: 40 a turn
Schooner: 10 a turn
Galleon: 10 a turn
Barkentine: 8 a turn

Upgraded Ships:

R. Schooner

300 energy, 150 kinetic, 450 missile
-60% energy, +60% kinetic, +40% ECM
4500 hull
9 range
No retal
100 scanner

PR: 2056

H. Galleon

900 kinetic
+30% energy, -20% kinetic, +20% ECM, -10% chemical
4500 hull
9 range
Assimilation
100 scanner

PR: 2056

H. Barkentine

100 energy, 100 kinetic, 1000 missile
-20% energy, +30% kinetic, +10% ECM, +20% chemical
5000 hull
8 range
No retal, no defense, assimilation
100 scanner

PR: 2691

A few points:

The scanners are perfectly fair. Really. (See: marauders)
Yes, this is me posting another thread about the collective.
20k a turn build rate is perfectly reasonable
Hands up: who wants more collective ships for more varied stacks? Come on, gimme a few ideas. Tulkas`s H. caravel isn`t bad.
Does anyone think these ships are imba?
K Kenkoko
08/07/2006 · 10:26 PM
or maybe 2 20k PR ships for the COLLECTIVE!!
M Merlin
08/07/2006 · 04:26 AM
Atronite: It`s just a rumor. However, I do believe they can capture them on UC, but GC it wont happen., sure Collective can capture Guardian ships in combat, but they immediately explode right after capture hehe
Z Zenith
07/07/2006 · 02:55 PM
That`s just a rumor. Collectives are definitely going to be imba if they can run around with hun lis (that have only 1k upkeep per ship)
A Atronite
07/07/2006 · 02:48 PM
I heard a rumor that collective may be able to permanently assimilate 1 ship from each race, including 1 from the guardian and excluding native viral ships in the next major update, and they would have a much lower cost for the collective as well.

If this rumor is true, then we`ll see way more collectives in the upper PR levels for sure 3 months or so after the update depending on the server speed.

Can anyone verify this?
K Kenkoko
06/07/2006 · 08:43 PM
yea...juz 2 40k pr ship add to collective would make collective rulez in GC
Z ZenithOP
06/07/2006 · 11:43 AM
Guardians are killing me. First, basic 130% careful rubytourm will only not work if you`re going pure sloop. And pure sloop is easily defeated by K. spam.

You`re not allowed to use the F. class, C. class, offensive strafez, galleon, pinnace and schooner against the guardians because a. they either die too easily to rubies or b. their attacks don`t do squat against the K. class.

Although the fodders are immensly useful against the K. class, they are also incredibly lousy against the pure kinetic attack of the ruby (at 1:1 attack:PR ratio).

The sloop is the only collective counter to the ruby and tourm. Unless you are lucky and have a few captured ships in your stacks. Barkentine does not have sufficient shields, and its attack is far too low to damage the rubies.

The barkentine is only useful against the K. class on aggressive, and since guardians always hit on careful...
A Atronite
06/07/2006 · 11:12 AM
or collectives turned into virals. =D
S Smiley
04/07/2006 · 08:31 PM
Collectives are strong enough. Got a hard start, but they are soon very powerful. I am a collective too on a server....!

If all virals turned into collectives the collectives would rule the server.
R RareHunter
04/07/2006 · 10:01 AM
collective are fine as they newbs yawn
Z Zenith
03/07/2006 · 02:43 PM
Oh wait, that`s +70% to chemical shields
Z Zenith
03/07/2006 · 02:41 PM
This battleship was thought up by Tulkas, a collective who used to play on RT.

H. caravel

4000 energy, 8000 missile
-30% energy, +40% kinetic, -10% missile, +50% chemical
12,000 hull
7 range
Assimilation, no retal
0 scanner

PR: 15035

Ideally, this is supposed to deal with the guardian ruby, tourm and K. class. It is also supposed to kill the viral V. class.
V varna
03/07/2006 · 06:59 AM
Petition signed.
T Treize
02/07/2006 · 05:29 PM
no point in trying. several great ideas were suggested before this new forum was even hear and they all fell on deaf ears.
K KILLA
02/07/2006 · 08:39 AM
Abandon the colective!
G GalacticArmy
02/07/2006 · 01:49 AM
I think all races should atleast go up to the Battleship class.

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