Forced - tax viral....

for stuff like this it should ony apply for the server in which its being imposed on. Else the turnbased servers will be all #%@^ #@ed up because RT mods wont match Turnbased and you can very wel say ALL of GC will be unbalanced.

90% of virals are on REAL TIME. if you played turn based servers too you would notice.

If any change concerning the problems of RT are gonna be done. find some way to make it an RT change only which will not affect the balance of Turnbased.

Things as ship nerfs are understandable in an obvious sense but the ship turn generation will be a lot different on turn based servers for example.

The food markets on the servers will be UNABLE to survive the massive demand on the food market and thus agri empires without some further race mods to make agri based races (terran and collective pretty much) either:

A: Have a better modification
B: Have their respective food generating worlds have better mods (would be better for everyone then, not just them so better all round due to more people having agri as a `secondary` income source along with their primary or able to support themselves if a small empire).

C: Have the tax races consume less food possibly? Not a good idea I know but I`m throwing it out there.

D: have a market bot...BAD IDEA I KNOW!!! Why? Tax viral caps out at making money on food price at 18 or so, breaks even at 19 per assuming 5,000 loyalty. A Miner caps out on 37 for profit and 38 for roughly breaking even. So a market bot induced cap will favor tax miners if tailored to accommodate virals solely (which it shouldn`t IMHO anyways...they have it too easy as is)


Those are just some ideas of mine.

Hack em up if you want I don`t really care, though constructively will get better response from the Admins, as if it degenerates to a mud flinging match it will get ignored....again.

Adam

Just want to throw my 2 cents into thios so to speak.

Chess:
Agri viral is a viable income source, higher potential profits than commercial even with same land amounts. The divergences is that agri viral is MUCH harder than any other viral (besides CG viral..good luck to you...and Mineral viral...thanks to a bug you only get ONE mineral unit per colony no matter the size, same for collective so it happens...). Sure tax viral is a pain to set up, but stip mine for a few hours and sell the ore and you are all good.

Now the difference with agri and comm based virals (ignoring tax based for the moment as they are totally different int his perspective):

Comm viral: -
- Can use any non U class planet/cluster to make further profit, even terran clusters.
- Commerical is a steady income source. You know pretty much what you will be making from day to day. no market reliance (kill allbut 1k pop on your clusters and you eat bugger all food and bugger all CG`s, resulting in slightly more profit unless max loyalty then population makes you that bit more assuming food is below 18 per)
- You have a per turn cash income


Agri Virals :
- Can only get food made on viral class clusters/planets. All other options are not available to them for potential profit making.
- Income is very market dependent and is also delayed. What food you make today, you may get the money tomorrow for example.
- Slightly harder set up compared to Comm (though strip mining will get you out of any problems and friendly artie support from mates)
0 No per turn income. You will always be `loosing` money every turn so food sales must be steady and you much have enough cash on hand if food doesn`t sell fast enough.


Tax virals have it prety easy once the initial hurdle of the set up is passed.

cont.

Who`s the "genius" that suggested Agri Viral... Infected clusters can`t even have agriculture BUILT on them, and Viral has a -20% to agriculture yield racially with a further 20-35% deficit on their planets, yeah push virals to being agriculture based, then you won`t have all those people playing Viral. There are NO races that require you to be of one specific income type, what you are suggesting would cause there to be one, which does NOT fit in the game at all. Sure, whine that viral are overpowered. Anyone that`s played viral should know that it`s NOT easy to get started, it`s NOT easy to get a high income, it`s NOT as easy as the people complaining about it thinki it is. Yes, if you did this you would have less people playing Viral. Maybe the ones that are currently taxers would stay viral. If any of them were thinking, NONE of them would become Agriculture-based. And most of the ones that are comm based don`t like being tax based. I would have thought that after this idea had been floating around for so long, most of you people that call yourselves vets would understand why it`s ONLY been floating, and will only continue to float unless you all use your heads to understand why it would only ever float, and thus remove it from circulation. All it is doing, to repeat it over and over again, is tell the new players that read the forum that Viral is too strong and they should fight about it. In truth, if you want things like this, go to UC, suggest it there, and stay there and leave us alone.

lol mac, you and BW could consume all of all 5 servers food supplys alone if you were active =/

then we`ll have a super high base and the food cap will have to be raised and the market will go completely dry just imagine the food consumption by all the virals... =o

TheNamelesMaster
2 hour(s) ago I think viral shouldnt be TAXED based...

omg thats the smartest thing you`ve ever said but then you kept going =P

I think viral shouldnt be TAXED based... when prices go below 8 its way to much profit... like when the prices reach 4 or 5....

i personally know someone makes all that food & lowers the price just for TAX viral... someone gots to do it.... i bought out the food market a few times

but hey then again im one of the CORE A.miner who provides minerials & i know also produce enough to control prices on the minerial market...

Personally i would like to see the Food market at 8 Min. price to sell at... & the MAX price be like 50... at least that way TAX viral wont be so messed up with profits...

if not the next best suggestion is -10% to Tax viral Modifier... take Tax away from them pretty much.... i dont see why an exploring race that is war like needs to have such a rich way of making money fast.... commerial Viral & Food viral is the way viral should be...

more like a guard type race... slow money from taxes... except viral slow money from Commerial... & food... VIRAL is labeled HARDEST race but god knows they are like the easiest lol

... eh how about crashing the food markets in 1 - 5 hours on normal and fast.

Meh ur talking about rt only, and how would they introduce it? current com virals would be stuffed unless they were given research points or something which all just sounds like more work making it eeeeeeeeeextremely unlikely to happen. Besides by going tax viral they will be a lot richer.

just so you know i have no intention of anything of the likes for a long time o.O``