Capital Nerf

I agree that it`s the players killing gc, I have been refraining from posting here most of the time cuz I just get aggrovated by wot most ppl are saying lol. On the newbie terran thing - they wont know any different if they are preper newbies so the build rate change wont affect them. Tyr on it`s own will give terran a big advantage anyway, if nirv is kept at 3 (which I dont think it should be) then they will have huge advantage. When will Virals get to choose their RE`d ships again, will it be b4 or after this change?

when everything is finished and fair and to everyones general liking

Edited by Maraudian on 2007-08-31

Yes but terran is ment to be an easy race. Please dont make it harder
Im still learning GC and i making it harder is just going to make it impossible for me.

But what about proper newbies, there not going to get any of this, and just fined it crazzy hard to beat other races.

Dont make it impossible for newbies!

not that i`m was bribed or anything.. but i kinda agree with mara.. its gc poor attitudes that drives ppl aways from doing updates or any changes.. stephen was gone, pandy too..

pls don kill gc with this attitude... be more appreciative of ppl hardwork..

just because terrens wernt updated doesnt mean there not good..... the update balenced it .. before the update miners struggled badly to stand up to anyone reli........ this update just braught them up to par.......
maru got update cos they truly were being left behind..... just didnt have a big enough ship selection at least now they`ve got some nice all rounded ships

I am talking about the update as a whole. What did miner get? Better chlor, lyth, lictor, better build rate on ara, better epi, chlor, chlorite, calcite. 2 new bases, very useful in a stack, nice build rate as well. Maru got its D class, very powerful now. Terran got nothing. So yeah, poor terran. Miner can make a stack at quite some PR for 100 turns, nice one too. Terran can`t.

hmm, so terrans suffer most because only one capital ship is capped, while miners and marus are way luckier, because only 2 of their ships get capped? O poor terrans....

i have sad this before and will again this update is useless i aprecite the work of mods but thats just it ...only made to make virals stronger just like someone have already sad ..then again i do plan to restart as viral at some point:p lmao

Species, you haven`t really played high pr terran, have you... Sure, you can make 10 mil useless herc spam and nothing more... It will be all virals after this update dominating even more. + stronger collective and guard. Terrans will suffer the most.

well pWn3dN3wb13, in a good game, shouldnt it become more and more harder to defend larger and larger empires?

Currently if you can build up to 10 mil fleets in 100 turns, common, a 1 mil base pr is a joke, thats nothing. The main difference to smaller empires is, that you can efford building ships at will, that is not what i consider an empire which is harder to defend....

I dont have a problem with the fact, that one starts to have to work much harder if your planetcount exceed 2C3`s especially with an unpaid ultra account.....

I disagree as a seasoned terran, Kalieum is far from useless =/ Ships are only useless if you don`t know how to use them. Ive even found the occasionall use for emp..but they really arent good at all, I admit that =P But terrans are fine, it`s not supposed to be easy to hoard, on any server.

"I agree however dropping herc to 1 will mean building stacks with it take twice as long which means you have to waste more time online and not with your family or GF/BF or whatever...drinking at the pub with your mates? smoking with your mates?"

aba, your comment is purely for RT, once again GC is not equal to RT. And I disagree about terrans being balanced, they WERE balanced before the update. If you don`t believe me, nerf them then try to play with 100 turns and make a stack with base PR close to 1 mil. That is close to impossible, sure you can make SOMETHING but you will most probably lose to everything. Nerfing capitol ships won`t get rid of the spammers, exactly the opposite. You will see more and more borr spams every day. As well as brig spams. If you are going to do that at least increase the build rate of the smaller terran ships and make better empereur(new) and better kalieum(both useless atm).

Abadyos: The vast majority of that is what is intended. And yes, exactly. The people who say terrans are getting the raw end of the stick, or that they don`t think terrans are good enough, are too much of n00bs at this game to matter what they say, really, because they obviously don`t understand the game mechanics well enough to realize that terrans are the best made race in this game.

WOW im going to take this 2 this level.. Yes there seems to be a big surge in captiol ships spamms not only from Terrans but from guards Maru and viral. doesnt seem like a bad idea cutting back the build rate a tad. but the thing is that gets me and people cant seem to grasp is the fact that there is not as many empires roaming about as there once was.. and for empires who cannot explore and live from battle 2 battle are getting the short end of the stick.. for one me being a collective with the lack of targets in the lower pr where the collective true strenght is at now but there is never anyone out and when there is its a 1 planet spamming terran which leaves me no other choice then to climb up in the ranks and get obliterated by a 2 ship selection stack no matter how good i made mines or the time invsted in making it. ill get to the point the time has changed and if u give me that cr,ap about collective should overwhelm there opp im going to choke u. i have played all races so i got a good vantage point of all races. i know some people know this 2 be true.

EvilAbadayos

nice post.... agree with ya there... funny we dont see eye to eye on alot of stuff but nice going on that post

Terran`s have the best selection of ships around.

Long range missile destroyers/cruiser to get rid of borries, guard ships and pyth spams

Long range energy ships to kill of runner/queen spams. also kills off hercs and alot of other stuff.

General purpose ships in the herc, tyr and nirv (GP because of damage spread)

Ultra solid smaller ships like the T Maru. Have that leading your stack with some C class and it will stop alot of damage and survive AND dish out damage, unlike fodder.

Terran have a higher upkeep to compensate for the large selection and tactical options available to them. They are also the `easiest` race or ment to be, due to everyone starting off as them as their first race.

I have never had issues with terran ships at all, even before the ship update 6 months or so ago. If your having problems now it`s your own fault, not the ships themselves as people ahve been winning consistantly with them for the past several years and loosing with them for the past several years.

Yes emp needs to be made a tad better but every race has a usless ship (ok...all races except viral...but then again you make that mistake yourself if you select a shoddy ship to RE).

I agree however dropping herc to 1 will mean building stacks with it take twice as long which means you have to waste more time online and not with your family or GF/BF or whatever...drinking at the pub with your mates? smoking with your mates?


meh...no matter what happens though there will be lovers and haters. We will all get over it eventually.

As long as the smaller ships are untouched or not made slower to buiild I don`t care. Make the smaller ships across the board build at 1.25- 1.5 times current (rounding up, 10 current to 13 or 15) and introduce this for capital ships and you will see more stacking.

If crunching is required Kevin PM me on RT and I`ll do something regarding it

Karnage the mineral generation can be anything, the colony bug they have with assimilated/infected/tainted planets/clusters allows them to make a MAX of 1 mineral a turn for any given colony regardless of actual planet count.

Nerfing the virals race stats WOULD be the best way to go about it and still maintain server stability without nerfing every other race with it. Pretty much it`s the same as before, just now takes longer to get there.

No change or improvement there.

Just my 2 cents

h and regarding the established empires...I`m sorry but viral is ment to be the hardest race, time to get what you paid for, an actual challange.

Established empires will not really be effected anyways due to being set up as is with infra and colonies/land mass

Karnage

that is rediculous suggestion lol

becase then all these empires who are set up get hurt