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Capital Nerf

Started by Maraudian · 30/08/2007 · 08:07 PM · 322 replies · 13 reads
M MaraudianOP
OP 30/08/2007 · 08:07 PM
well yes it was suggested in the A miner post but yar

Herc 1
Lictor 1
Lyth 2
Pyth 2
Angel 2
Nirv 2 everyone wants that if it goes ahead
Tyr fine

these are idea`s liked alot by the majority , we have a few who dont like it and make big offencive rants that generally show they dont know a great deal past there own empire etc ( no offence intended , you play the game too so yar ok )

but those who do know what there talking about and suprising alot of those who do but take advantage of high build rates also like this idea , ive had alot of nice pms too about this and some messages upon waking up saying its a nice idea and to ignore the ranting few who dont care about ` the greater good ` , even turnbased empires like this idea so well this is its thread

i dont wanna hear no viral rants , especially upkeep , ive told you well over a hundred times now the only way i can do it is toedit the marauders ship , and thats unfair on marauder , one of the reasons to be that race is low upkeep.

Edited by Maraudian on 2007-09-04
O Omegian
01/09/2007 · 05:04 AM
First off, Terrans and guards can outbuild virals giving their economy is good.

Also, Many terrans including myself will probably not use starbases but rarely, as DM has said Terran SBs are horrible as compared to Aminer ones.

Aminer is more defensive and the SBs they have are alot better in mods, range, attack power, etc.

Scorpions and Chims are just big pr fodder, you can take anything and kill them with enough fleet pr ...
D DeadlyMilkMan
01/09/2007 · 04:55 AM
Dont hurt the marauder race, thats all im saying. There are few of us as it is.
S species382
01/09/2007 · 03:52 AM
Well, DrunkenMasters,

your argument that terrans are so bad, because they can build in 150 truns "only" a balanced stack of 2.7 mil pr, while miner can allegedly build up to 5 mil pr has a serious flaw:

In your calculation, you most probably assume, that terrans build only offensive ships (and no starbases), while miner use excessively starbases. This is the only chance, that your calculation somehow works out.

Well, there is a significant difference between offensive ships and starbases, with one type of thing you can attack soemone and get colonies, with the other you cant. Well sure, starbases help keeping planets, but equaly, probably even better, helps a balanced stack of long range /high dammage ships. Therefore your comparison between terran and miner is highly artificial.

On the other side i agree, that virals can (with the canonical choice of ships) build a balanced stack faster than any other race. Well, now in the update proposed, terrans get a cut in the buildrate of the Herc, while virals get a cut in the buildrate of Herc, Angle, Pyth and Lyth. So i am not understanding, why you complain in the name of terrans.

And at last, i also can not understand any wining viral here, since after this update, virals can build a balanced fleet only twice as fast as anybody else, and not longer >3 times faster....

its a terran world out there :p

havent seen a single viral complain , just hmm 2-3 terran , reminds you of the terrans who gate crashed every other update hence pushed me away from there little emp they want updated so badly

Edited by Maraudian on 2007-09-01
C {ching}
01/09/2007 · 02:02 AM
*wishes every1 would calm down*
nirv is one of the most frequently spammed ships so I dont think we can justify keeping them the same build rate. Dont get me wrong I can build them with my viral empire so I am not being biased, but this just seems silly if we are trying to stop or lessen spamming. Maybe this whole idea is not going to work, or will need some adjustment. I just wish ppl wouldnt get so aggitated as it is only being discussed at the mo.

one step at a time or so many baised empires will overflow the game and ill just stop updating etc altogether and go renew my WoW paid status

Edited by Maraudian on 2007-09-01
O Omegian
01/09/2007 · 01:28 AM
Note im aminer, viral and guard ... ive gotten tired of terran because its too easy and collecitve and maru isnt my style. I like a planet horde challenge
D DrunkenMasters
01/09/2007 · 01:13 AM
1 turn pyth + angel + bullhead =161k pr
1 turn herc + tyr + nirv = 183k pr, not much of a difference

so stop crying over your herc , you got the advantage`s and maru dont , shouldnt that be bonzai

Edited by Maraudian on 2007-09-01
D DrunkenMasters
01/09/2007 · 01:11 AM
Did you get my point at all? I said smaller terran ships need better build rates + emp + kalieum, not that I don`t like the capitol nerf. And I said that terran is already behind other races. And I am maru/coll/terran/viral/miner hybrid, not a biased terran. Starbases aren`t going to win c3s, but they are definitely going to help to keep the


your suggestion is basicly the same just involves alot more editting ( not going to happen ) just making fighting alot faster and really alot poorer a suggestion than cap build rate decrease ( if you mull it over you will know im right saying that )

ide also like to point out you only mentioned terran ships terran this terran that yet again and really should stop thinking about just you , even though you finally mentioned other races nothing at all fair in your thinking of judgement , your not the only empire in the galaxy , even if you somehow think your superior to the rest or anything else along those lines

Edited by Maraudian on 2007-09-01
S Strik3r
01/09/2007 · 01:02 AM
now i know why stephen doesnt come into gc ^_^ when its updating time lol

more like full stop...

Edited by Maraudian on 2007-09-01
O Omegian
01/09/2007 · 12:38 AM
Hmm, great way to downplay that attitude of yours. You know you sound as if you hate us. Oh wait you do. You are so discriminating the vets from players like you.

correct i do dislike you and the majority :-/

You have clearly posted high fives etc to players that agree with you. Makes this seems like the same GC/UC problems that create. GCers thing UCers are newbs, ... i think your treating us the same way ... Admins to veteran/amateur players.

Ill let you think about that from your busy schedule.

everyone has a right to there say , if they didnt ide have suspended everyone arguing over my suggestion and editted there posts etc ... but no your being a tad far fetched , i dont care if your 1 - 1.5k old

Edited by Maraudian on 2007-09-01
M MaraudianOP
01/09/2007 · 12:33 AM
anyhows as much as i love reading this , i got work , then probably other things , so yar have fun making even more baised points for me to point out are wrong and stuff on my return :/
M MaraudianOP
01/09/2007 · 12:29 AM
i dont recall saying anyone else in this game plays anything like me , infact om rather confident only i play the way i play this game.

dont get me wrong alot of people are similar but still different , infact a few times below i said many times ` to each his own ` to have and play on slow i ` need ` to planet horde horde etc , err no sorry but theres no rule saying that , you may think its a requirement or something but no , it aint
M MaraudianOP
01/09/2007 · 12:26 AM
i dont see no maru a miner or viral complaining , just a few baised terrans who are actually going to get a great advantage from this , funny but i didnt actually predict that :p
O Omegian
01/09/2007 · 12:24 AM
Remind me again, you actually play Slow, but you dont planet horde as thats not your forte` dont get me wrong Maraudian, but everyone is not playing like you, they rather be a race and planet horde.
D DrunkenMasters
01/09/2007 · 12:16 AM
Viral has everything he choses, and IF maru and coll are designed for low PR, why maru is on par with terran with its build rates? And I am not biased, this update will affect all my empires, as I said 5 races.
D DrunkenMasters
01/09/2007 · 12:15 AM
Let`s see:
terran`s best build rates:
1) herc -90k per turn this would be 40k
2) nirv - 54k per turn stays same
3) tyr - 39k per turn stays same
4) ryu - 18k per turn o.O` no comment
scorpion and chimeara aren`t mentioned because they are something absolutely useless. As well as emp
maru
1) pyth & angel 67-68k i had no idea these were over 33k pr each :-o
2) bullhead 25k per turn omg imba
3) hammerhead 14k per turn
miner:
1) lyth- 60k per turn Was 90k
2) lictor - 50k per turn was 100k
3) aragonite - 40k per turn never really liked this , eternus did it
4) livid -25k per turn
5) flysch- 28k
6) hoko and lako -55k-60k these gona pawn yo hercs and steal your C3 were all gona die * runs round in circles *
7) calcite and chlor -17k
kryo is crab so it isn`t mentioned
guard - they are all with high build rates they have ships that alone have insane power rating , not really the build rate , just the size of the ships

all collective ships have 16-25k build rates, sloop has 11k well ill be real scared running away from one of these fellows , my 40k per turn herc dont stand a chance


nice of you to mention nuetral

but yes as you so kindly demonstrated you have 3 caps that are basicly the best turnwise than every other race for affectiveness , although you completely ignored pyth and angel turnrate ill let it slide as human error :p

Edited by Maraudian on 2007-09-01
M Maraudian
01/09/2007 · 12:07 AM
A miner and viral will have the exact same build rates , or worse , than you
D DrunkenMasters
01/09/2007 · 12:07 AM
I know it is slow and I also know that you can`t build decent empire(according to my criteria for decent) in less than 6 months, let`s not say a year...
M Maraudian
01/09/2007 · 12:06 AM
see baised , terran terran terran
D DrunkenMasters
01/09/2007 · 12:06 AM
I am saying it`s crab as it is for terran after the update in each and every thread species... You can make like 2.7 mil balanced fleet with 150 turns with terran and have what, 1 battle? And then no time to reconstruct. While with viral, guard and a.miner you can make a decent stack at 4-5 mil PR with the same turns... And I am not referring to h/t/n spam but 10 stack balanced fleets, everything besides that I don`t call a "stack"
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