viral upkeep is bs, fix it.

piss off lyth better than angel XD.... u smoking crack boi ?

angel over lyth annnyyy day...

hard to judge pyth and lyth cos there made for different things but i would still say pyth over lyth ...

Lyth better than angel or pyth that is a fact

the important thing i would say ewith balancing is to give eceryone an equal chance

Minners at present have good ships and very good income.


Who will challenge them if viral upkeep is altered dracsctically..


Fair balancing please for all and not for one race.

Change the game to much and it will be spoiled.

yeah like stephen gives a toss..

Virals will never be fixed/neutered/spaded. It just wont happen my man.

me = old schoo stacker. :P

you wanna bet? nameless?

6:38 AM 25/08/07
TheNamelesMaster attacked you. Attack was successful !

Name Units Casualties Remaining
TheNamelesMaster`s fleet
M.Lyth Dreadnought 100 32 68
M.Flysch Battleship 380 0 380
G.Lictor 35 6 29
M.Chlor Cruiser 917 188 729
Small Strafez Fodder 1,645 1,645 0
Large Strafez Fodder 437 437 0
C.Taurus Destroyer 45 45 0
A.Aragonite Dreadnought 6 6 0
M.Epidote Destroyer 27 27 0
F.Sword Destroyer 18 18 0

Colonies Captured
Name Type Land Size
E.9722 Icy 55

well TheNamelesMaster, i support your proposal under the constraint, that also terrans loose the Herc and nirv, marauder the Pyth and angle, and guads the ruby. The collective MOW has to go anyway.....

When the ships with up to 5 times more build rate as average destroyers are gone, it will be much less likely to be spammed

Chess take away Lictor & Lyth from A.miner i dont use them that much except for lately due to all these other spammers...

nice stack by the way Chess.... Terran so suck... 5 ships in your stack are 9+ range....

chess---- few things.... forcing them tax would make fighting for them harder as it gives them a massive base... for example a 200k land with 254 inf would produce a base of 5mil.... dnt even think of saying that doesnt make fighting harder....

also in terms of having double incomes virals can make money off argi .. in fact they make more money off argi than they do comm... although that has the draw back that u cnt use infected colenies... but the point is they still have a second income option .....

i`m not too keen on the forcing virals tax idea but it would really balenece the server out in terms of races (see back to earlyier post)

and if u combine this with increase mara upkeep to i duno 4-1 (pr - upkeep) it would generally really even out the server .....
(anyway tax virals make more than comm virals so ship upkeeps to a degree shouldnt be a problem)

well, chessRPGrulerKoA, as a viral can as well start fighting with 2 infected c3 as terrans can with 1 c2, your argument about it is entirely pointless.

Virals need 4 times more turns to explore (to plunder to be more precise) on the other side, they need by far less turns for researching ship techs, so i realy dont see the point why virals are sooo bad.

They can not use U.class thats their biggest disadvantage. This however does not lead to an income which is only half of a terran empire, especially because they can fight much more effective (and way cheaper) and get faster bigger empires. That they use marauder ships is thereby only one aspect. Since the average viral has a whole buch of high-pr buildrate ships, he also spend less turns building up a fleet, i.e., he also pays the high upkeep of the other ships a less amount of turns.

How many turns need a terran to build a 1mil pr balanced fleet? 50? 80? A Viral with Herc, Pyth Angle, Nirv, Tyr Lyth Arag and Flysh plus 2 low buildrate ships need approx 25 turns......

TNM let`s also take away juggs, dreadnaughts, and battleships away from Miner, that will prevent people whining about Lyth and Lictor. Oh, and get rid of that darn Livid monstrocity, too, it`s just too darn BIG for a fighter, I think it might hurt me. Come to think of it, why don`t we just use those UC ships, they`re already all balanced. We just have to take out all the ones with build rates of over 20k pr/turn, then we`d have this game perfectly set up. See why everyone calls you names?

U kno nameless i thought u were brave buddy might as well just take that race out cuz of some pple who cryies about them

Proposal
take away Juggs, Dreadnoughts, Battleships from viral... problem solved they will still be hard to fight but they till spend time building smaller ships & living with the same darn income as we all do...

Hiigarans good idea.... CounterCrazy goes off to play with the market again...

Hiig NO race has only one option for income, not even Maru/Coll... screw your head back on straight, man. Also, paids have nothing different than normals when it comes to X class, and only marauders and maybe collectives can plunder X U`s. Viral income is much harder than terran income to get, with the same amount of infra and planets Terrans make over twice as much. Plus, getting the "starting out" cluster, which as terran is a 900+ average C2, is as Viral a 900+ average c.4, 2.5x as many planets, takes several times as long. There is nothing about viral that is easier than terran, except maybe spammibility and fighting, and none of your proposals would affect that.

me happy anyways :)

lol TPE, i used you to insult him, it`s really not something to be happy about. rofl

wow renegade pple want can take 10 me`s wow i thought i just was gonna get ..... well i am REALLLY HAPPY /me says lol
i cant even believe it

420> yes, prehaps i m just a newb with some lame ideas... also, G doenst mean anything..

like TWU said, in long term, forcing viral go tax can increase other race amount, Collective n Terran will go up for produce more food. Miner will go up for produce more cg n minerals.

let say, if the food n cg market wasnt good enough for Viral to survive, the amount of Viral will go down OR Viral will go to inactive, isnt it a good way to balance out?

what u need to do is just slightly increase the Tax mod n decrease more Commerical mod on Viral. on other side, slightly increase the Collective colonies argiculture mode.

there is no point that Terran should suffer with so much fleet upkeep n earn some little $ while Viral earn slightly less income but using the cheap Maruader ship.

btw 420renegade, i`ll rather have 10 TPEs than one you. TPE may be annoying sometimes, but definitely not as stuck up as you