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Petition for old vote system

Started by DukeEmmoc · 18/06/2006 · 09:07 PM · 41 replies · 1 read
D DukeEmmocOP
OP 18/06/2006 · 09:07 PM
Please sign, see my arguements in the post titled `GC ONLY - FED LEADER CHANGE `

Please do not let this minor concession deter the majority from demanding a return to the original democratic and more enjoyable voting system which allowed infiltration, internal federation politics and hostile take overs as well as the establishment of multifederation empires - a great part of the game. It also allowed non-paying empires to take over their own federations without getting a paid account - this required effort and hard work with rewarding results.

For those who were not here under the old system the following occured:
There was voting in each federation, and for every planet you had you had one vote. This way larger and hardworking empires had political influence in the federation. The leader had to be good and popular or be replaced. As well as this it was funner as you could infiltrate and destroy enemies creating an interesting slant to the game and allowing for federaitons to actually win wars - currently there is no way you can actually beat a federation.
This was taken away when there was an apparent abusal of a bug where some empires were managing to take over federations without the required amount of planets. Whether this was not an elaborate ploy by the administrators in unknown but what is apprent that instead of the bug being removed it was used as an excuse to remove voting all together. (motivated perhaps by the fact that non-paying persons could gain federations, as well as removing the ability of decent federations being able to beat opponents through political means)
Since that time excuses have kept coming forward and it is almost the official line now that take over of federations was cheating. This of course is not the case if you look at the mannual where take overs of federations are endorsed as an exciting part of the game.

I urge you to support myself and many others in our request for popular election abilities in federations.
C Cheradenine
19/06/2006 · 08:11 PM
Shadowlands: Anaboliking is part of the game, always has been. If it frightens you that much maybe you should think about increasing your planet count. Something which is long overdue for your fed. You`ve been playing for a very long time. I think it`s time to step it up a bit.

And I don`t know about you being stronger. To me your fed looks just as unimportant as it ever was.
E EPrussia
19/06/2006 · 07:36 PM
the problem is my friend i feel that stephen being *ill* has stopped all work on anything that is perhaps why things arent happening leading to frustrations which is understandable people are wanting an update for a long time.

on this subject i feel after being involved on both sides of the coin winning and losing feds its a game and its fun if the bug gets fixed then it should come back but people can still make feds with paid *just reminding everyone who wants a fed to have and cant steal anymore* get a paid people
S ShadowLands
19/06/2006 · 06:58 PM
yeah cheradenin it was great because you know why? we are stronger after it than we were before LMAO!
Secondly you can`t command people in a fed especially if it is there choice to join you can`t do jack squatt to them if you make them mad they just leave and that hurts the fed overall.

next this isn`t real life it is a game and it isn`t the leader fault at all you could have a great fed and everyone likes the leader but some jerk takes over and disbands anyway it happened to UFP if you remember.

what will be so hard about admins changing leaders? I know they have a lot of work but if you get 10 members of your fed to send a message to them or if they are inactive send 1 and all they have to do is delete the messages and change the leader when they get a chance.

Last it is spamming if they are 5 other threads on the subject and 1 is a petition as well. (and you made 1 or 2 of the others as well DE.
L Luthor
19/06/2006 · 04:18 PM
I must admit that I prefered the old federation voting system and when it was removed an entire dimention of political gameplay was removed. I can see that there is a problem with the bug but if it can be fixed then I don`t understand why we can`t have the voting back.
B byzantium
19/06/2006 · 01:06 PM
You have my vote as well
K KottonMout
19/06/2006 · 06:03 AM
Aye, i want the old voting system back as well.

Anabolik is rolling in his IRC channel LMAO
E EvilLoof
19/06/2006 · 05:15 AM
yep bug should be fixed and old system reinstated i think even maraudian would agree that would be the best?
well anyways Duke not really out of line or childish or anything maraudian, your perhaps just getting a bit irritated by defending a game where things isnt exactly running smoothly at the moment, no need to take it out on others...
well anyways what pandy explained is quite simple and easy to understand, but just as alot of other things just a bit tiresome for all players that the answer always is, well we(stephen) cant do it before he does a bigger update ...zzz...he deletes it, he gets a kid, he gets sick, which is the reason that there is only enough time to work alot on uc and none on gc, and yea that is the reason this game is going downhill, now with less than 100 online most of the times i stop by.
U UberPansy
19/06/2006 · 05:10 AM
I agree that we should have the old system back, just because it keeps things nice and simple and is fun for fed members because it gives them some say in who will lead them. I`m not into all the deception involved in an anoboliking effort (basically betraying people`s trust to accomplish something small... they can simply make a new fed lol).

Despite what has been posted what DE is pushing for, and protecting against, could not be more timely. Now that attention is being drawn back to the voting system it`s the perfect opportunity to remind players that things used to be different. What he`s guarding against is people who are so desperate for an update that they will lower their standards to rock bottom and try to be pleased... of course this behavior is perfectly understandable but this game deserves better and we mustn`t forget that ;)
U UberPansy
19/06/2006 · 04:54 AM
I`m just glancing through this but I think you are out of line Maraudian. As a guide your job is to be polite and patient and DukeEmmoc has been both in his exhaustive posts. Obviously ur human so ur gonna let slip sometimes but u had time to rethink before making an additional post which also belittled DE without offering any additonal input from yourself...
D DukeEmmocOP
19/06/2006 · 12:16 AM
Pandy I appretiate your reply.

Maraudian - again i dont know what you are on about, i completly understand Pandy`s post, i can read english, we are being offered some sort of semi election system where if a leader goes inactive he can be replaced through a admin held vote along with the rest - again i say this isnt good enough and as i see in Pandy`s post he understands what we do want, a complete return to the old system.

Again i also pointed out pandy that i recongnise this apprent bug and accept it was a problem
However:
It really is not an excuse for the situation we have been in where it has nearly been half a year since the removal of federation voting. A bug can be fixed and all efforts should be put towards fixing that - it should not be taking half a year for a start and then the subject quietly dropped, which I am not allowing im afraid.

When something is broken then it should be fixed, we shouldnt really have to wiat for the update for voting to return - the reality is that stephen may just replace it with the UC system which is not what we want atall - we shouldnt wait half a year for a return of the old decent system and then have it replaced at the end of it.

My requests are simple:
i) The bug be fixed if it hasnt been.
ii) in that case the old voting system be restored.
Thats the impression we were given would happen, we however are still waiting. Please have this carried out, can hte admins confirm that this will happen.


(apologies pandy for the forthright behaviour but i have kept quiet about this for too long, someone has to take a lead in putting on the pressure up about this for so long, and if i dont then it may just be forgotton again, especially with the minor concession which doesnt satisfy those like me much atall)
P Pandy
18/06/2006 · 10:56 PM
weirdly just sent this PM to a player talking about this, and i think its completely applicable here. Many know who did this and who the fruit and vegetables feds are that were involved, they also i`ll inform lost a great deal from doing this on their accounts and were punished appropriately.

If the older forum were up you`d all be able to see and read enough about this to fill a bottomless pit.

anyway this is the PM I just sent a player.


oh i agree completey, i want the fed vote back in, however i also don`t want to be the focus of who they yell at when the fed leadership is stolen from them, i`m sure you can understand that.

Fed voting was not removed due to anaboliking regardless of how many keep saying so.

It was abused because 3-4 players who stayed intheir own fed were able to vote for a player they sent out to other feds.

so for example

members
fed named fruit Planets

apple 200 leader
berry 250
cider 250
dudefruit 100

800 votes yes ?

fed name
vegetables Planets

carrot 10 leader
parsnip 10
cabbage 10
peach 1

31 votes yes ?

problem was that peach had 801 votes and took leadership from carrot
so how do you think that happened without abusing the system ?

and that was why it was removed


For the record I miss the voting as do most of the guides and admin, and i`m sure that any with the old anabolikers list could attest to, just about every guide was on it at one stage or other, its not tha anaboliking that we disagree with , its the blatant refusal to believe that in a fed where possible votes where 180, that 800 votes was nothing unusual.

Now I know you all joke about Stephen math, as does Stephen himself.

but there is no way for 180 to = 800

think on that
C Cheradenin
18/06/2006 · 10:52 PM
Shadowlands the only reason you didn`t like the old system was because your fed got the best anaboliking of all time :-P
M Maraudian
18/06/2006 · 10:41 PM
pandy has been kind enough to explain it in baby english for you under your public post , i suggest you read it , then you will " understand " , then you will probably blush and feel embarised and actually listen to what we are saying...
D DukeEmmocOP
18/06/2006 · 10:36 PM
i complain simply because many have repeatedly asked for a return of the planet voting system that we used to have, we were promised a return to this, that the bug was going to be fixed and this has not happened.

I dont consider a transfer to the UC method an advantage, i do understand what is about i have heard about it and i understand that still that members do not get to vote and infiltration becomes alot harder.

As far as I am concerned and many others all we want it a return to the planet based voting system that we had before. why is that such a big problem?

The reason i dot not rejoice at this concession is because i know that a small change will perhaps make some people give in on demanding the entire return of voting - something that would be regretful. I wish for a complete return to the old system of voting and nothing less than promised.

Maraudian - i dont know what you mean, everything i have said is based on a simple reality that we wish to have voting back. There is nothing here that shows that i do not understand the changes made nor the old system, i have been playing for 3 years after all.
M Maraudian
18/06/2006 · 10:28 PM
hate to say it but everything you have said just proves you havent a clue what your talking about , if you did know what you were talking about you wouldnt have made this post in the 1st place , do your research before making posts like this , it really saves you alot of time and hard work
R rutgerzak
18/06/2006 · 10:02 PM
now lets see since the admins did something to make it slightly better you come up whit a complain post... hmm something is wrong here...
D DukeEmmocOP
18/06/2006 · 09:57 PM
i dont agree im afraid. If there is a coup or just elections in a nation or modern day federation state then quite simply the leader is removed and replaced with another.
YOu say they should not have some `joe` off the street take their federation over - whyever not? If they are incompetant and cannot correctly organise a efficient recruitment system or if they cannot manage the federaiton and the members vote him out, then why shouldnt he be kicked out. Just because you create a federation should in no way give you a right to rule other people.

You then say the old system was chaos. What will be chaos is the fact that we will have to have all these complicated methods and rules for changing leadership with admins rather than a simple election procedure. Its insulting that some administrator has to deal with the internal workings of a federation and furthermore it ruins the roleplay gaming aspect of the game, taking it away from the virtual reality that it should be.

I am not spamming i am quite simply holding a petition. And if people want something and they are not answered why shouldnt they keep repeating themselves.
S ShadowLand
18/06/2006 · 09:35 PM
the old system was chaos someone shouldn`t have to buy a paid account to make a fed and lose it because some joe schnoe off the street with a few more planets takes it over. i`m sure if there is a real problem with a leader the admins could fix it. Like an impeachment if all the members hate the leader they could all get together and have a vote to force the admins to make him step down. also you can still beat a fed attack its members take their planets and enslave them until they are crushed seems to work fine on Ultra Server.
S ShadowLand
18/06/2006 · 09:31 PM
geese if there are 3 things being spammed in the forum they are bring back voting, where are the updates? , and bring back the old forum its getting boring.
F Fodderman
18/06/2006 · 09:23 PM
just b happy we got anything
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