Un-Reasonible Ships

OP 01/08/2007 · 07:05 AM #1

Pyth
D.Angel

we all know they are pretty bad. They are meant for Maru a poor & not very rich race. on the other hand Viral are very rich. Which has become an issue with the spamming of these cheap upkeep ships.

I was looking thro the ships. (Terran, A.miner, Guards, Maru)
Pyth & D.Angel got a one of big difference between the other ships.

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Hull, Weapons, Power rating ratios nearly all equal up the same.

only other ships that are similar are Destoryers & the Guard Ruby & Tourmaline who care the same qualities as the Pyth & D.Angel except the fellowing which make Pyth & D.Angel Superior

Destoryers have heavy upkeeps & slow build rates & weak hulls but have range

Guard ships have major weakness in shields & strengths as well but for the majory they remain weak stacking wise overall. Guards normally use Queen & Fodder in fleets which are slow build rate stuff to balance out their fleets better making this race more balanced.

Pyth & D.Angel are to cheap in upkeep & also have bad design issues i think & they lack normal chacteristics of most ships with similar backgrounds

C CounterCrazyOP

01/08/2007 · 11:06 PM #23

Suicide G.Lictor is easly beatn by Pyth & D.Angel even with Lictors huge shields cause it lacks range & also Pyth & D.Angel gots tons of firepower & range on the Lictor like alot of other ships but Pyth & D.Angel got 3 Multi-weapons to fire.

Lictor also cant beat alot of ships at all. Pyth, A.Angel, Pike (not sure with new update but before update they could attack on careful & take out some pike), Herc, Nirvana. Lictor is useless to these ships who have range & Multi-weapons. Herc just gots lots of shields & same range so they are an even match for each other.

D.Angel & Pyth. point is they are overpowered for 1. 2 they are meant for MARU a poor race who are non-explorible. Viral can explore & they are a VERY rich race which doesnt make since for them to have such cheap ships.

Maru Destoyers & Crusiers have higher upkeep then Pyth & D.Angel. doesnt make since for Maru totaly but its still reasonable but for VIRAL to have this cheap upkeep & fast build rate is totaly unreasonable

O Omegian

01/08/2007 · 10:06 PM #22

Im directing my points to CC and what his origional post was, not attacking virals or any other race, except the only reason why people can state virals are cheap is because of the marauder upkeeps.

D Deiloche

01/08/2007 · 09:52 PM #21

Yeah, I`d agree with that too. Standard marauder upkeep is way higher than what the pyth and angel offer... to what point and purpose?

x5 upkeep for each ship, perhaps?

S Strik3r

01/08/2007 · 08:33 PM #20

just hope one day these balancing takes aback seat... Aminers are now more attractive, minerals are available ...If virals are so powerful why dont you just become virals?

i feel that more should be done on the functions in gc ... the election button still isnt working

S Strik3r

01/08/2007 · 08:11 PM #19

i hope this nerfing doesnt affect the marauders ... they are already so little of them

S species382

01/08/2007 · 08:02 PM #18

well, Suicide, on equal pr basis the lictor gets kicked by the pyth on carefull (as well as in any other attack modes), even with the big G.class energy shields., so if you think the lictor is overrated, then directly follows....

S Suicide

01/08/2007 · 04:57 PM #17

CC i think u should look at new g/lictors they are on carefull almost unbeatable

D DrunkenMasters

01/08/2007 · 04:49 PM #16

I don`t think their build rate should be nerfed. Nerf the UPKEEP.

D Deiloche

01/08/2007 · 12:35 PM #15

True, they are killable. And omeg... my points were not directed at virals.

They were directed at marauders. Though I personally think the buildrates of almost all big ships should be reduced...

Anyway, on the topic of potent ships. There are a lot of them in the game. The one thing that keeps the pyth from being completely unstoppable is the fact that it lacks no retal. ^^; It has good shields, good hull, destroyer-like damage... *shrugs* But then, most of the heavy ships in this game do NOT act how they are supposed to.

T ThePakistaniEmpire

01/08/2007 · 12:33 PM #14

hmmm get use to it a.miner got clor terran got hercules and tyr why cant marus get ships that good pyth is like a nirvanna if u see and d.angel lol it gets killed easily also missile ships gaurd just dont talk about em they got tooooooo strong of a ship

4 420Renegade Admin

Admin 01/08/2007 · 12:22 PM #13

Im with Yoshi..Just cause your bases spam got killed by a pyth spam doesnt mean jack. I can understand a slight bit more upkeep for RT, but virals are fine on turnbased. The reason everyone complains about pyth and angel is cause they are to lazy to build a real stack or counter spam...

Generally also they are the most spammed ship simply because virals are the most played race. Now that other races are getting better this shouldent be a problem.

C CounterCrazyOP

01/08/2007 · 11:22 AM #12

ouch i got called newbie again. that hurts so much im just going to kick the bucket & die now lol.

S SonofCommunism

01/08/2007 · 11:10 AM #11

i disagree also built rate isnt an issue neither is how powerfull they are there ships of equal or greater power if use correctly ...if virals get nerfed miner or guards will dominate ...virals are the most balanced race O.o ..plus the fact how much of a n00b one is shouldnt reflect how good the race is itself in your case anyway

it doesnt matter what u use either destroyers or anything else all can be efective ..its all comes down to tactic

O Omegian

01/08/2007 · 10:59 AM #10

Wow, I disagree greatly, hercs can outbuild them and do fine against both on normal attacks given the turns.

Guard ships are expensive, but cheap upkeep and can kick butt in the long run in retals or even when stacking with its spam ships.

Get used to the game not being fair and perfect. Stop comparing Virals cheap ... Sure for RT, but on slower turn servers their weaknesses are greater seen.

If you want to argue more about virals being cheap, just give them 80% upkeep changes to the ships pr to make it fair, then everyone. Destroyers are not meant as frontline ships, say so in the manual, the main frontline ships are supposed to the heavy capitals ships.

I can disprove each point of yours CC in turnbased, RT is not as easy to disprove it as many can research in 2-3 weeks enough housing, etc to get rich and not worry about building destroyers, etc.

D Deiloche

01/08/2007 · 10:17 AM #9

Completely agreed. Those ships are excessively powerful... however, there ARE comparable ships. But at LEAST, their buildrate should be reduced.

C CounterCrazyOP

01/08/2007 · 08:52 AM #8

No one even checked out the ships at all. your guys dont even look or care thats the sad part.

why do we need to take out guards. they are meant to protect GC not kill it like other races

B Blazed

01/08/2007 · 08:07 AM #7

Miners can take guards out very easily...virals are overrated..CC stop crying

Y Yoshi

01/08/2007 · 07:43 AM #6

and why you crying...you have Lyth that kick Pyth and Lictor that kick Angel...UHUH!

No0balozorusrex

U UberSexyTwitchMonkey

01/08/2007 · 07:43 AM #5

Burn..

But in CC`s defense, he stacks, with destroyers, well. *Hugs CC*

Y Yoshi

01/08/2007 · 07:39 AM #4

you posting that cause your Bases spam just got pwn by Pyth lol...

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